Duplicate Content - Dispel the myth!

When you have been doing seo for as long as some of us and have worked on as many sites as some of us and have seen as much as some of us then you will start to think like one of us. Right now you are making opinions based on one site and what limited info you could get out of it.
I have been doing this for quite a while and quite aware of what penalizations and filters exist.

 

Good Morning Big V..how are we today M8?

Just to chime in since I have had a few Dupe discussions lately, if you really don’t BELIEVE there is a duplicate Filter (penalty) make an ENTIRE SITE from Dupe (scraped content) and see what happens.

Take your existing site and fill it with 1/2 Dupe content. Brave enough in that assessment to risk your site? Let us know what happens

As far as results it is a FILTER. If you have substantial Dupes and OTHER flag items on the site, it can graduate to a PENALTY…

Care to try ramping up the dupes on your site? He he….

ADDED; V also makes another good point... Be carefull making assumptions based on one or two sites. In the 'biz' I work on many, many sites in many different markets and sites of different sizes and ages (authority)... you learn fast there are many factors to adjust one's theories for. Owning 3-4 sites will not do that... so carefull with the 'assumptions'

 

(regarding updating an old article on an established site)

A question for thegypsy and visio:

Can I get your opinions on this idea? I am considering looking for some sites that might like this done in exchange for a backlink. Do you think it would be worth the effort?

Thanks in advance.

 

Well, with Article marketing there is always an interest in getting the piece out to more established publishers as it would be offline.

Some times I use Article Repositories and other times look for authority sites in the market and contact them to see if they are interested in running the piece. Some times they appreciate it if it is FREASH (not on a bunch of article sites).

More established sites will certainly have more authority to pass. Example with an article

Here it resides on an authority PR3 page; http://www.selfseo.com/story-15895.php

Same article on a site with lower page value; http://www.promotionworld.com/marketing/online/article/061116SEOSuccess.html




So you can do both unless the ‘authority’ site requires it to be unqiue content.

Be sure to always make the best of Kw/Phrase targeting in the Author Bio text links of course :0)



ALSO try an write a better piece than the next guy to get picked up and further syndication. For our clients I have a team of writers that I use to create articles for distribution... the quality can pay off. Never forget to look for click through traffic NOT just getting a back link
http://www.site-reference.com/artic.../Article-Marketing-Quality-over-Quantity.html

 

Yes if it won't take anything away from your site. Keep your sites content updated regularly(adding new not removing) and if you can do that and write articles for other sites that is great.
I do this from time to time where I write a article for other sites/blogs. Mainly I do this to get the facts out and to get more web presence as my recent seo site is quite new(produces alot of traffic but still new). Unless the blog disappears or the webmaster is dishonest and removes your link(use seo elite to check that they keep it on) they are good value links and usually last a long time. And these type usually only get better value as the site grows.

Just make sure each site gets a unique article. These produce more value per site. but again make sure your content won't get ripped off.

 

I am ashamed to say I don't keep up with my site like I should. I get so wrapped up in taking care of customers that the site gets neglected.

Thanks for the priority check and the great advice.

 

If I may correct you. You are then failing both.You fail your site you fail your visitors. Keep that in mind.

Ps. Its a weakness we all share. Its called time and it mysteriously slips from our hands so fast.

 

Okay. I read through some of the points here.
But let's say your article is being distributed to different article directories, but because the different article directories has layouts, menus, footers, headers and so on, will Google still think it is duplicate content?

 

Did your friend have the "last modified" on his page/site also did he make sure to put the date of the article on the page. I heard somewhere that when search engines find duplicate pages they will look for those two things on the page/site and whoever has the oldest page will get the credit and the other one will recieve the dupe content penalty even if they published it first

 

Strangely I don believe the OLDEST reference will get the highest rankings... Search Google for 'Phrase Based Optimization'

http://www.google.com/search?source...G:2005-21,GGLG:en&q=phrase+based+optimization

My article (on my site) is SECOND a reference to my article is 1st. I published the piece on my site first and let it get indexed prior to exporting it.

In short there is NO penalty unless combined with other spammy flags. In the end when exporting, who cares about deupes? Simple create different articles for export than you put on your site and the whole dupe issue becomes some one elses (whomever publishes it)

Once again it is a FILTER not a PENALTY. For the dupes to be a penalty other spam factors would come into play

 

You can change everything on a page but if it has the same article Google will know. Even changing paragraphs and wording can be detected by google.

Nope as Gypsy noted that is incorrect. Google determines alot on the reputation of the site. If a article is published on ebay and 5000 other sites Google will likely determine google is the owner of the article as it has the highest importance/reputation level. Dates can be changed....

 

Duplicate content filtering by search engines is very much alive and well. I have done some research into this and I know SE's filter dupes. I have recently written an article about Defeating Duplicate Content, it provides some suggestions and knowledge about duplicate content.

Even quoting a paragraph on a web page and posting it on a forum (like this) in blockquotes or not creates duplicate content and can be filtered in the SE's. Duplicate content became a problem when people would search for one thing and the first 10 results were from different URL's but the same exact content. This was a problem for many search engines, therefore they had to design a way to filter this duplicate content.

 

Not to be a complete ass...but I am pretty sure everyone knew there was a duplicate content filter.... that's what the thread is about. Thanks though



In your article you wrote

If you read above... this IS NOT going to necesarily help U

ALSO

This will not protect U from Scrapers... ask Visio

CLOSE

You should add the caveat that if your site satisfies other Spammy flags, it can certainly lead to a penalty ( see Markov programs for more help ha ha ha)

Oh oh and how about this one EVERYBODY

Everyone play along at home;

Home page over and over....

http://www.thebusinessdevelopers.com
http://www.thebusinessdevelopers.com/home/
http://thebusinessdevelopers.com

Breaks the rules right?

So why is the site #2 out of 454 000 000 on Google for 'internet business development' ???
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...n&q=internet+business+development&btnG=Search

Thoughts?

You see this is a filter thing folks not a penalty and you are worrying too much... disctracted by the Google Webmaster Mist

 

In the end people... the easiest way is to just create different content for syndication than you have on your site. It is then some one elses problem if it is a Dupe (publishers)


Sound like a plan?

I have a team of writers we use to create articles for our clients as part of the promotion/link profile development program.... easiest way to go

 

thegypsy, I do not disagree with you at all. The article provide solid guidelines which should help anyone have their content pages as the primary page in the SERPs, it definitely will not stop duplication of content. I think I have made that very clear in the article. Thanks for the feedback!

 

Great to hear friend... just touch up the article and make SEO a better world for everyone... I hate mis-information, don't you?

 

Now there I disagree. The article is fine "as is". It provides solid guidelines for defeating dupe content. There is nothing cut & dry in the SEO world, nothing is completely certain. For some things will work and for others things will not work. But for general masses, the guidelines provide on point and accurate information (which can be argued on either side).

 

Okay, here is a question for thegypsy and visio:

Say I have a website with technical descriptions of something - perhaps widgets. I have 100,000 widgets which all have various attributes which I want to present to my users. However, when I write up my descriptions of the widgets, they essentially look like the same description with some elements changes. Think - the same format, but different specifics.

Where do these 100,000 widget descriptions - which are great for the user - land in the "duplicate content" spectrum?

 

ohh come on then how can you even write a article about seo? Be careful how you say things. We know alot about search engines and there is alot that is certain. The average joe might not know but seo does.

If in doubt spy it out. Okay call it what you want but it is a good saying(I made up ). If you are unsure about how something will be taken read seo sites/blogs(trusted sites) and also spy on your competitors sites. Check through each top ten listing to see how they are doing and what they are accomplishing.

Now widgets aren't identical so there should be a way to write a unique description for each. In this type of situation it is best to have unique widgets that aren't used anywhere else. This will create link-bait which will pull in webmasters and will illuminate the supplemental problems and many others as well as helping you rank high. It seems like simple advice but really goes along way.

 

Shouldn't really be a problem since the algo (big 4 at least) will parse it an understand the related but different nature therin... the algo would have a resonable expectation of related terms and themes throughout the site.

Often problems come when people use the SAME descriptions as the manufacturer site... if it's descriptions of the Blue Widgets that are unique to your site, variations on the main theme would not be seen as dupe

Will each page rank? Well that's a different world alltogether... the dupe filtering process is not for giving 'weight' to a given document (web page)