Mitt Romney Tells Employers to Intimidate Employees

Fairness according to Obama


Unfair
Make 1% of the population give up 35% of their income, while not requiring 50% of the population to pay anything at all.


Fair
Make 1% of the population give up 38% of their income, while not requiring 50% of the population to pay anything at all.

 

I think it's safe to say that any business with more cash on-hand, will have the ability to grow / expand.

Thanks, have a nice day.

 

Again, amazing fallacy and naive. Having cash is one thing. having investment opportunities is way different. Pricing and evaluating investment opportunities is a serious third consideration.

In our cases we have always expanded with cash on hand...but I know plenty of people who chase investments with little cash and/or have to raise money.

The Right Wing perspective is sort of ding batty. I have more money. I'll hire someone to do something, somewhere, sometime.

Business does not work that way, at least the one's that succeed.

Its simply an outrageous presentation of promises without any substance behind it.

of course there is some recent history:

1990's. Huge hiring in the US...relatively higher taxes on the "job providers"
2000's. Decade long miserable job growth featuring an enormous recession and rampant job firing at the end of the decade. "Job Providers" have relatively lower taxes

Mid and post recession years.

major corporate America fires in total millions of workers...rebounds with record profits and record cash holdings.

Mostly fires people then scarcely hires anyone back...but they are hiring temps. (damn generous of them) Meanwhile corporate America carries record cash holdings for multiple years.

So I have a hard time seeing how the Romney/Ryan promises will work...that is way beyond our own very direct experiences, but reflect now over 2 decades of most recent American experience.

 

Earlpearl denies it, but it goes without saying.

What businesses absolutely cannot stand is uncertainty. When you look at Obama's complete inability to work with congress, when you look at his politicization of the economy and polarization of the electorate, business owners have to be wondering when the other shoe is going to drop.

The fortune 500 seems to love Obama, as most of them pay very little in taxes. Tax evading GE even managed to get it's CEO appointed by Obama to a "Jobs Council" supposedly interested in creating new business in the US.

That Obama is bad for small business is not even up for debate. It is also a fact that Obama has done nothing to deal with tax loopholes used by the mega wealthy, such as carried interest. It is also a fact that the big banks that were a systemic risk to our economy in 2009, holding the taxpayers hostage for a bailout, are now bigger than ever my an order of magnitude under Obama. It is also a fact that energy is several times more expensive than four years ago thanks to Obama.

Earlpearl, like most Obama supporters, wants you to hate the rich and blame the rich so you won't focus on the piss poor job Obama has done as Commander in Chief. He doesn't like to talk about the FACT that Obama's entire economic plan revolves around raising the top marginal rate by three points. Even Obama supporters like Mark Halprin (time magazine) acknowledge this.

Thats it. There is nothing more to Obama's economic plan. Somehow, raising the top marginal tax rate by three points is going to heal our economy. What a F'n retard.

Another thing Earl likes to avoid talking about is what people do with their money. To listen to him talk, the rich are all like Scrooge McDuck, with some giant vault filled with greenbacks where they keep/bathe in all their cash.

Newsflash: Rich people like to see their cash grow. If they aren't hiring people, that cash gets stuck into some other kind of investment. Right now, under Obama, the incestuous relationship between Wall St. and the White House makes new enterprise seem unattractive. Why invest in small business when the White House will guarantee huge risky ventures by Goldman? Even small investors are going to take a sure thing when they see it.

The problems with our economy are complicated and multifaceted and one thing is for god damn sure. Raising taxes on the rich by another 3 points is not only unfair, it is going to have about as much impact as pissing on a forest fire.

 

Well seeing England came out of recession today one would have to agree it takes a while to come back from behind (unless of course England's recession is Obama's fault too).

Obama will likely have the economy back on track in the next year or two, though the way Republicans OPENLY sabotage his every move it makes sense that most Americans understand that it's the Republican's fault your economy is still so fucked, and not the fault of President Obama.

Not only will voting Romney prolong your recession, as the poor get poorer, it will probably tear the USA apart as country after country also flees from being in bed with the USA.

I would think now, well over half-way to more prosperous times, is not the time to switch commanders. It's like you get on track A & want to head to track B half-way through, well before the fix has time to work out. Only a Republican sabotager (right wingers mainly) can think that's fine. I'm sure most Americans know that already.

One thing we have all learnt from the Republicans, sabotage. And if, beyond ALL expectations, Romney is handed power in 2 weeks then sabotage will become the norm for Democrats as well.

Obama is ahead by miles. The press is simply milking the election as always. If it was ALL Obama then noone would bother reading. They purposefully make it a 'close call' to keep you reading the news. You watch and see how President Obama wins this election and how many Republican senators were ousted for a Democrat.

This term, with a huge majority, without Republicans sabotaging his every move, President Obama will finally be able to get stuff done.

Long live the (anti-war minded) USA!!

 

Obama is not ahead by miles, and our press is basically Obama's biggest cheerleader. If he were ahead they'd be pushing the inevitability of his win.

Then again I just live here. I'm sure someone on the other side of the planet knows much more about the topic than those of us that've lived here for decades.

 

Bushranger, I don't know what you do for daytime work, but you might have a career in writing fantasy material. Even CNN, who has been covering for the President's lies for years has started to cover it's ass.

[video=youtube;NHO6pmZj6dA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NHO6pmZj6dA[/video]

Couldn't find the rest of the interview but Burnett actually goes through the CBO scoring of the president's financial plan and points out the entire thing is a lie.

[Edit] Funny how you cant find any online footage of the stuff that is critical of Obama. For instance, here is some footage from last night where Letterman flat out says Obama lied in representing Romney's opinion regarding the GM bailout. As expected, hard to find.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/...-of-lying-about-this-gm-bankruptcy-thing-huh/

 

Um, haven't you got that backwards?

Obama has incredibly exploded the deficit while making war on the less well off in America...while enriching the rich. Look it up, why don't you?

The potential corrupt payoffs between Democrat corporate supporters and the Democratic party makes the Clinton payoffs to their corporate friends look like child's pay. Its scary.

Seriously... Earl, isn't it painfully obvious that Obama is in Wall Street's pockets? Why is it his administration has chosen to NOT prosecute anyone in Wall Street? Democrats were screaming at the top of their lungs that Bush was letting Wall Street get away with murder, but once Obama got elected, not a peep about the Wall Street criminals. Care to comment?

Wow.. I admit I watched that because Erin Burnett is HOT, but I can't believe how harshly she bitch-slaps Obama - she almost calls it "bullshit"! Guess she'll be forced to look for a new job soon...

 

I am simply a humble webmaster.

You conspiracy involves President Obama and his mob deleting all the bad comments off the Internet? Now that sounds pretty crazy I believe. Have you considered there just might not be much bad stuff to be found, compared to the volumes of bad stuff they have on Romney?

 

My conspiracy involves a liberal media that simply doesn't give air time to stories that are critical of the president, unless we are talking about Fox, which has no problem in that area. My conspiracy theory involves a self censoring media organization that, when the occasional negative story on Obama does make it to air, doesn't permit the usual plethora of clips on youtube to persist, usually using licensing as an excuse for removing the content.

 

The latest excuse I hear is that the Republicans, who caused the mess in the first place are the one's stopping any prosecutions. I think, rather than go for the Wall streeters, as it seems what they did was legal (under Bush's changes), start pushing to prosecute the Senators who created the shonky laws to make what Wall street did legal in the first place. Then watch how fast Wall Streeters get punished. FTR: You surely don't want people charged who did nothing illegal just because you want SOMEBODY punished or do you?

 

I do agree that she is HOT, but that is about it.

Erin Burnett is engaged to be married to Citigroup executive David Rubulotta, and she used to work as a financial analyst for Goldman Sachs.

So she is hardly one to give unbiased political commentary about what will help average middle-class Americans. She has high-society written all over her.

 

You know what is extra scary, is the fact that at a time like this, you think the GOP are the corrupt ones.. Obama condemns Wall Street and the rich, but he turns down their donations like a fat kid turns down ice cream.

I think that says something about a person, claiming to be such a stellar leader.

Any particular reason you keep repeating you're a business owner on the forums? Should we all be impressed?

 

Funny, I disagree she is hot. She comes across as a coked up ding bat to me. Sorry Corwin. The hottest talking head on TV, hands down, is Megan Kelly. Mommy!

The real comedy is that you think that is relevant. Not one of the talking heads on any of the major networks makes less than a million a year, including Ed Schultz. They are all one percenters, and most are married to other extremely wealthy people. Every last one of them is bias, and the farther left they lean, they less they try to cover it up.

Regarding Burnett's segment, much of it is citing the CBO's numbers back to the Obama admin, all of which call the claims made by the Obama admin regarding it's plan a lie, filled with double accounting. The economy is slowly recovering, which should lower the deficit a bit all on it's own, and Obama's plan actually expands spending enough to make up the difference for a net increase in the size of the deficit. Orwell would be proud.

 

Well, that actually isnt even debatable... anyone that disagrees is clearly lying.

 

o-nation was quoting this:

LOL. parse that statement. "safe to say that any business with more cash on-hand, will have the ability to grow / expand.


Yeah. You have the ability to grow. You also have the ability to shrink. You have the ability to find good investments. You also have the ability to sit on your ass, not update and get crushed by a competitor.

What do owners do with cash on hand???

Apple had about $100 billion on hand earlier in the year. They can't figure out ways to spend it...they are so popular and profitable. They finally decided to pay dividends buy back shares. That means they invested in themselves without hiring people or buying equipment or software.

Some people suck the business dry and take the money for themselves. Some people look for investments. Some people hold on to the cash horde and use it wait out dry spells.

Having cash does not automatically lead to any one action or implicitly hiring. It means you have cash. Nothing more nothing less.

A prime example of make believe Right Wing Extremist "business jargon". Its never used in the real world. Its not taught in business schools. Its BS political business mumbo jumbo.

There are entire businesses and financial entities that "quantify risk". In that context businesses accept "uncertainty or risk" and establish strategies to deal with it. You will find a lot of that in the world of high finance...some of which, derivatives, went haywire during the financial meltdown.

All businesses have Uncertainty EVERY DAY. What extremist hocus pocus bull shit. Japan never expected a tsunami, New Orleans never expected to get wiped out in total by Hurricane Katrina, and RIM, never expected the Apple I Phone to essentially render RIM worthless now a few years later.

If you are a small business you aren't focused on "tax uncertainty"...you are focused on making a profit.

Hey Wake up. If you don't make a profit you don't pay taxes. Nothing to worry about. "uncertainty" as the Right Wing Polemicists use it, is made up bull shit.

there is a great graph prepared by a long time poltical scientist studying members of congress over the extreme long haul studying voting patterns on simple conservative/liberal perspectives. The study is indeed long term going back to the 1800's. Today's GOP are the most politicized conservatives in HISTORY in Congress. That is extraordinary. We are living with a Congress of Radicals.

 

I never liked Megan Kelly. Lauren Sivan is/was my favorite.
[video=youtube;V7CDOJzR9vY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7CDOJzR9vY[/video]

Jenna Lee is 2nd, Brooke Baldwin 3rd.

What the hell...? What are the arbitrary Y-axis units used by that graph? Looks like a useful tool for Liberal suckers!

 

First off, let me thank you for keeping your last post under 5000 words. When it comes to wading through BS, less is better. Now to your points

What a brilliant analysis. The only thing you left out is the alternative, which is not having cash because the government took it from you. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats believe the latter has a greater chance of spurring economic growth than the former. Its idiotic.

On the great "BS Political Mumbo Jumbo" scale, would you rate it higher or lower than the phrase "Right Wing Extremist"?

I love how you bundle every category of uncertainty into single category, as if all risk was created equal and was dealt with the same way. Dealing with regulatory uncertainty is one thing, but only an idiot opens a new business venture at the beginning of an economic downturn. Decreasing demand and fiscal tightening are a recipe for lost investment money. The upcoming "fiscal cliff", our president's inability to lead on the economy, and the surrounding uncertainty about our economy in the next year are absolutely having a chilling effect on business. I have yet to see someone form a legitimate argument to deny this, unless you are trying to imply business owners will rush to open up new counter cyclical businesses and flood the investment market with shorts. By all means, take a crack at spelling it out for me.

No they didn't. But most economists are predicting a 3% downturn next year. Unlike Japan and New Orleans, we see the large swell on the horizon.

Don't get me started. Of course RIM saw the IPhone coming. Everyone did. The calls for a device that cross the boundaries between PIM and phone had been around since the late 90s. Apple simply acted on those demands, but you would have to be blind not to have seen them.

If you are an investor, you are fool if economic climate does not play into your investment decisions.

There are a myriad of tells in your graph that indicate what a steaming pile of crap it is. The first giveaway is the idea of plotting political ideology against two axis and thinking the information is somehow meaningful. I'm sure you are aware of the rest but you posted it anyway. What am I to say to that?

 

Jenna Lee is hot. Megan reminds me of an ex-girlfriend so I'm biased.

 

David - You have a chance to talk about Megyn Kelly or economics and you choose the latter? If you don't correct this oversight I'm reporting you to the appropriate authorities and they'll probably revoke your man-card. Admit it... she's hotter than a $5 copy of MS Office. Say it. Don't try to dodge this important issue.