Scientists are nothing but a bunch of lying atheists?

Though I have not seen these exact words expressed on this forum, I have seen this sentiment stated many times both here and online as a means of countering the fact that the vast majority of the world's scientists endorse evolution. As if all of those scientists, which would number in the hundreds of thousands, are all in on some grand conspiracy.

The first questions that come to mind are: what are their motives? . . . what would all of these allegedly lying scientists gain from taking part in this conspiracy?

Answers vary but the general theme is along the lines of: they want to remove God from our lives.

The one glaring problem with this notion is the fact (again, another one of those pesky facts) that a majority of the world's scientists also believe in God, (though not necessarily aligning with social demographics and differing from culture to culture). Subsequently, it is also a fact that a majority of those same scientists who endorse evolution also believe in God.

When it is considered that groundless statements such as this are an important element to the arguments of creationist proponents what do those proponents have other than lies? They have a handful of their own scientists, many with questionable academic credentials and many who make their living from the "creationist industry" they have fostered and now nurture. They have internet memes where nice sounding words like "irreducible complexity" get thrown around. They also have legions of liars, all willing to stretch the truth to prove that what they believe is the only righteous world view and worthy set of life guiding principles.

. . .. . that is one fine set of life guiding principles.

 

Am I reading this right Gomeza...you are saying that the vast majority of the world's scientists believe in 'God'???? If so, I would take serious issue with that statement.

 

Yes, you are reading that correctly and if I have a chance I will dig up some corroboration but in the meantime, it is important to take that statement in its entirety. It is only true if including all of the world's scientists. If speaking only of scientists from western cultures it is no longer true. Keep in mind that an overwhelming majority of scientists from Asian cultures believe in God.

Edit: After reading the line in question again, I realize that it was over stated by using the word "vast" so have edited the OP to better reflect what I was attempting to say. I thought I had a link handy to show how I arrived at this conclusion but cannot find it (yet).

 

OK bro...understand what you are saying now but I'm still not sure I agree with it. I would need to see some stats. I'd be astonished if it were true but always willing to consider the evidence. I suppose it would also depend how one defines 'scientist'. I'm sure that scientists in fields like physics, chemistry and biology would be less likely to be theist than scientists in the social sciences and of course........... which 'god' do they believe in? I wonder too, how many believe in 'something' such as a 'higher power' which they call 'god'?

I found this.....

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24

I'm sure this is going to come down to the discipline they work in. I just can't see your average Joe Scientist who works in chemistry, biology, palaeontology or some similar science believing in Biblegod!!

 

In all honesty there are other issues with my conclusion but despite that I still feel it is a valid statement. You've touched on some of the issues in the last sentence of the above quote. Where I came to this conclusion was when I started the thread about PHD scientists. Asian countries collectively graduate far more PHDs than western countries (issues arise here in the validity of those credentials), it is true that an overwhelming majority of those graduates are not atheists and believe in a God of some type. (I hope to retrace my steps and find the link I am missing)

Now we must consider that the only reliable stats we have are from the US and may not be as reliable as we think. There is definitely some form of peer influence against professing faith amongst research scientists in the US but that aside, and including agnostics, the numbers in the US break down at about 60% non believers versus 40% believers, throughout Europe there is not much difference but as there are no reliable numbers we can only extrapolate from the US numbers.

This accounts for less than 40% of the world's research scientists. When the remaining pool of the world's research scientists are added, primarily from Asian cultures where science and religious beliefs have a much more synergistic relationship, the sum of these two groups has a majority of believers. As I mentioned, in hindsight I was over stating by using "vast majority" but the point is still valid nonetheless.

I can't disagree with that but my contention is countering the word "atheist" while not attempting to imply an adherent to religious constructs.

 

While 87% of scientists say that life evolved over time due to natural processes, only 32% of the public believes this to be true, according to a different Pew poll

• a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power
• 95% of American adults say they believe in some form of deity or higher power.

So from the public's perspective, not everyone who believes in God denies evolution.
From the scientists' perspective, not everyone who believes in evolution denies God.

Conclusion, stop trying to make everyone fit neatly into little boxes that fit one's preconceived notions.

 

That's interesting! I would have thought that the opposite was true. What with America being the looney believers capital of the world there would be some reluctance to 'out' oneself as atheist.

 

Where are these numbers from? . . . . and in your closing statement: is this a general summary or is that conclusion aimed at someone or some group specifically?

 

Numbers are from here (posted already in the thread) http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/24/opinion/la-oe-masci24-2009nov24

My conclusion is for the people on both sides of this issue who seem to want to make an issue out of it by trying to say that all atheists, all religious people, all scientists think in some set way when in reality they all are unique people and think differently on every issue.

 

• He's on a rant. It would be a shame to interrupt him. Everyone has someone they hate, with Gomeza, it so happens to be the religious. Perhaps he was touched by a priest when he was a child. At least he has Pladecalvo to hold him.

 

That sort of generalization seems a little,lot bit like fearmongering to me.

You need to expose liars before seeking truth, because all around us false information and theater is something we are being bombarded with.

There would be no need for these arguments if people did their own research rather than trying to convince others of their belief or disbelief.
But generally speaking people are lazy and ego centric so whatever they conclude in a moment of enlightenment is what they want to pass on in order to feel more justified by the feedback of the yay or naysayers who agree with whoever they like most.
sad but true.

Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7jHYriFo

 

Sorry, I didn't phrase the question clearly. The numbers come from a poll conducted by the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, which has international members. Other similar polls I have seen that deal with American scientists only peg the number of believers at around 40%. My conclusion which attempts to use scientists from around the world puts the number over 60% (admittedly I am extrapolating as no reliable numbers exist). My question should have been: how heavily weighted are the numbers from the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science with American scientists?

My sense is that their results of 51% lend credence to my extrapolated number if their numbers are heavily weighted with American scientists but unfortunately I am unable to verify this.

I can't agree with that sentiment entirely. The example I use is clearly a case of "group think" where some religious people are not thinking at all when they regurgitate easily dis-proven lies to validate their arguments.

 

Actually it was a survey conducted by Pew Research Center of the AAAS members. I would assume most members are American or Canadian just from the phrasing of the membership page but looks like anyone can join.

https://pubs.aaas.org/org_membership/new_member_setup.asp

 

That was what I sensed as well.

 

Generalizations are generally problematic. . . Fear mongering and slippery slope arguments tend to have a common element in that they are attempting to predict the future whilst painting a picture of bad outcomes. . . It is true that people are generally lazy in doing research and surprisingly so when it comes to validating their own opinions.

I could not agree more that liars, or those who knowingly manipulate the truth to advance their own opinions and agendas need to be exposed.

 

I really enjoy the crusading atheists stupidity : "We've insulted and slaughters Christian for decades . We ever admitted our wrongdoings . We never stopped claiming that we're backed by SCIENCE MOTHERFARKARS . We wonder why hardcore Christians don't trust us ?"

Seriously ?

 

Is the last word of your post (seriously?) a disclaimer denoting humor? . . or are you serious?

 

Those ignorant scientist are just plain dumb asses. How could they possible interfere with the words of the almighty on our beloved holy books. It is proven by the almighty that the world is created in seven days. Well 5 exactly than the almighty got a little tired and took two days off.
All the living things are created in one day. That is a fact proven by the almighty. Dinosaurs, humans, insects, fish and even the new species that we are still discovering in the world.
But wait there is more. Once upon a time the almighty decided that he had enough with this world and since he/she is very generous and forgiving decided to kill and wipe out all the living thinks in these world with the exceptions of about 2 million species living in planet earth. God ordered a human to build these huge boat so they can repopulate the world after it gets wiped out from all the children woman and elderly. Did i mention the almighty is very generous and fair.

ALL HAIL RELIGION

 

...all this talk is only designed to take you away from your real purpose of making money online

 

You do realize that the thread title is tongue in cheek don't you?

Your post sounds a lot like a Sunday school lesson for adolescents, was that your intention?