You go to a party and you get your head chopped off. That's with the Talibans while in Egypt they are considering a law to hump a corpse. These are the kind of people they want to rule alongside Israel. With a few people defending their cause. Note: They claim they don't but we have yet to see their post against them.
From what I can tell, they're: Forced to be religious. Mostly uneducated. Poor with low standards. Live in squalor. Corrupted leadership. Violent attitudes. Life seems cheap. Stuck in 1800. Apart from that they're possibly okay, though I bet I missed something.
Well normally we don't bring arguments across threads, it's like each thread begins a new day and we get to see more of the characters in play here. But seeing you're a vocal Islamist supporter, and this one's about Islamists I guess you're starting a new one (argument that is), so that's fine. Please carry on.
I am a vocal supporter of the Palestinian effort to get their land back. Do you not see the difference? Perhaps you missed my posts where I condemn ALL religions...including Islam. You'll find it at post #80 here.... http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2545132&page=4 Here, I'll even copy it for you to save you the trouble of going there. "FYI, I am against ALL religions....but then, had you bothered to read my posts before opening your gob, you would already have known that. I haven't got a good word to say for religion. It's divisive, primitive, dangerous, it takes advantage of the weak and then has the audacity to demand 'respect' and immunity from criticism....for no other reason than it's someone’s 'belief'. I believe that the eradication of superstition is a good thing. I think man has much to benefit from gaining knowledge and nothing to lose from coming to recognize myths for what they are. "
Thread title says... "Islamists Are Cruel...." If you want to restrict that to the Taliban then title the thread 'Taliban is cruel'. Saying 'Islamists are cruel' in the title implies that anyone that follows the religion of Islam is cruel. There are 'Islamists' all over the world and I'd wager that very few of them are cruel. Be specific and you won't get confusion.
Mikael your so blah-blah-blah for the blah-blah-blah. We have to see it yet. Bait.... Your so predictable. Ok next question. What can you say about the Talibans and what they did ? Cruel ?
Yes. So let's not cross arguments in threads just yet then. You have the chance to show us the other you now. What are your thoughts on Islamists in general, you believe in live and let live? Was my comment too harsh? Are we stupid to keep giving them a pile of our oil money so their masters can use that for war whilst the population goes uneducated? So many questions...
Yes. Please take a copy of that post, print it out and stick it on your screen so that the next time you accuse me of supporting terrorism, supporting the Taliban or supporting Islam...it might jog your memory.
Well I'm rather anti-religion, whether it be Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or any other religion out there but providing they keep their religion to themselves and not try to force their belief in ancient mythology into our places of education and government then yes...I could support the 'live and let live' concept. I just get rather annoyed when some people take events carried out by mad-cap religious extremists and then paint all followers of that religion with the same brush. It's not only wrong, it's extremely stupid! Do we have a choice when we are so reliant on their oil? Sorry but your posts are becoming increasingly incomprehensible. Don't know what the hell you are talking about. Indeed! Just think what you could sell to people who think that the whole world was once flooded and that every species on the planet, including those that have gone extinct and those yet to discovered plus all their food for six months, all fitted into a small boat. Aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!! The Christian man-god Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. Well it's an epic fail actually . The Jewish prophecy for the Messiah said that he must:........ .....Be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10) To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah. According to the NT, the Christian man-god did not have a biological father thus he does not fulfil that part of the prophecy. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13) The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12) Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27) Last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after this Jesus character is alleged to have died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3) The Middle East alone has been unstable for over three thousand years with war. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe God's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24) The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Nope! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one God - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the Lord" (Isaiah 66:23) There are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The OT says that the 'messiah' is to be a human being born naturally to husband and wife. He is not to be a god, nor a man born of supernatural or virgin birth, as the Christians claim. Nowhere does the OT Bible say that the Messiah would be a god or God-like. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If an individual fails to fulfil even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." We know that none of the above have been fulfilled so the Christian man-god cannot be the Jewish Messiah. Now I'm sure that the fundies will chime in here and claim that their man god is going to do all these things when he 'comes back'. Unfortunately for them, nowhere does the Jewish prophecies for the Messiah say that the Messiah would come once, be killed, and return again in a "second coming." The idea of a second coming is a pure rationalization of Jesus’ failure to function in any way as a Messiah, or to fulfil any of the Jewish prophecies. The idea is purely a Christian invention, with no foundation in the Bible.
Well we could get rid of their corrupt leaders for them and try to instill some education, just sayin. Do you think most of them want to live the way they do? I'm thinking of Afghanistan in particular but there are many places in the Middle East that are similar. Do you think they're piling on the kids to out-do the Christians/Westerners and hoping to take over the world? Do you think they're interested in exploring space and all the good stuff we're heading towards?
Well it's a plan I suppose..but then, we'd need to get rid of corrupt leaders everywhere don't you think...and is that morally defensible or even viable? Personally no, I don't think they do. I have spent some time in the Middle East and met many Muslims. I find them to be friendly, amicable and hospitable with a strong sense of right and wrong. There were many Muslims around the world that condemned 9/11. Are they terrified by the moronic fundamentalist that control them? Yes, I think it's safe to say that they are but what can they do about it?? It's all very well to say that they should revolt and turf out their leaders...but who the hell wants to be first to step before the rifles? LOL! No I don't think there is a hidden agenda in them having kids. It's just a cultural thing. We must remember that many of them live in poverty through no fault of their own and the culture is that you have a lot of kids because the risk of infant mortality was quite high. I'm sure they are but we have to realise that, due to the religious morons that control them, so many of them are under-educated and it's all a bit too much for them. There is a similar problem here in Spain actually, where they lived under a vicious dictatorship for so long. You'd be amazed at the number of old folks here that can't read or write.
If we could just take out the leaders YES! every time imho. That's probably what the western world was thinking...when it tried to help... I find it hard to believe it was ALL about the oil, though I do believe that played a big part. You get nothing for nothing in the real business world. I can't see one westerner wanting to move there so we're certainly not trying to steal their land. What to do when uneducated people don't know what's good for them? That's the circle that needs to be broken. Get rid of corruption and invest in education, in whichever order we can imho.
I'll certainly vote for that but how the hell do you do it?? I certainly don't think that we should be marching into other countries because we don't agree with their politics and inflicting OUR idea of democracy on them. Are you suggesting 'hit squads' to take out corrupt leaders?? Personally, I would like to see our efforts going into ensuring that countries have free and fair elections rather than invasions and enforced democracy on our terms. How to do it is the problem.
Keep trying different stuff till you know it works? I don't think we should either. However if they attack first, then we should rightfully be able to hit back by whatever means possible imho. Saddam did attack Kuwait giving us westerners an excuse to roll him (though it was naive to do so imho). I'm not sure Bin laden's attack warranted Afghanistan (he was no leader nor did parliament order him too), though looking at the populace, in 2001 and seeing what the Taliban were trying to do I can support that reasoning (populace emancipation) seeing it was a breeding ground for terrorists. Or very accurately targeted drone strikes. No point getting good guys killed if we don't need to. I would too.. but whilst they're fully controlled by nutjobs I don't think it's possible..