Proof the Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God

It sort of adds a little irony to the title of this thread doesn't it.

The strangest part of it all is that you will see claims made in this very thread that no major revisions have taken place and as far as he knows his version is just like every other version . .. other people just aren't reading theirs right.

At first glance the differences seem minor in terms of volume of words changed but when viewed in terms of fundamental changes to long held Christian beliefs, their version ranks right up there with any of the other major historical revisions More about it HERE

 

I dislike people who like to push their ignorance on others as much as anyone else, but isn't this where you provide quotes of the material differences you are talking about?

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
While you're slinging mud, I notice you conveniently avoided the exposé on the Roman Catholic Church at Post 91—including the two sources that I quoted therein that confirm the Catholic Church executed people for translating the Bible from Latin to English. Remember earlier you claimed (at Post 50 on Page 3) that I was lying and that I am a bigot against Catholics for saying that? Below is the weblink, in case you want to go check what we both said at Post 50. Your accusation will come directly underneath where you quoted me for the third time in Post 50.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2540813&page=3


Below is part of what I already quoted at Post 91. I am posting it here again to draw your attention to what the Catholic Church said when they realized John Wycliffe had translated the Bible to English. Notice what these "humble servants of God and servants of the people" said when they realized their game was up. When they realized their monopoly on the Bible was over, they referred to the common people as swine and referred to the corrupt clergy class as people of "high intellect."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/131christians/moversandshakers/wycliffe.html


Keep in mind that while still on earth, Jesus Christ in prayer to Jehovah made it clear that personal, first-hand, accurate Bible knowledge is vitally important for individuals to gain everlasting life.

"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3)


QUESTION #1 to CORWIN: Whose best interest was the Catholic Church serving when they prevented people from taking in first-hand knowledge of Jesus and Jehovah—so that people could gain everlasting life?


QUESTION #2 to CORWIN: Was the Catholic Church being obedient to God and Jesus Christ when they confiscated Bibles that had been translated into English and burned them?


QUESTION #3 to CORWIN: Was the Catholic Church serving the people's best interest by preventing them from reading the Bible in their own language?


QUESTION #4 to CORWIN: What language was the Bible in when John Wycliffe translated it to English? Was it in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, or Latin?


QUESTION #5 to CORWIN: What crime did William Tynsdale commit, resulting in him being strangled and burned to death by the Catholic Church? In other words, was it because he translated the Bible into English—the common language of the populace?


QUESTION #6 to CORWIN: Whose best interest was the Catholic Church serving when they burned people at the stake for translating the Bible into English?

 

Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it? Look at post 101, you will see that he already did.

 

Oh, yeah, by showing me 1 quote you have surely proven your point

And I guess every source that points out that there are differences are wrong? (Search query: jehovah witness bible different than christian bible)

Apperantly, I was wrong on that. Seems other people can get their hands on it too... My bad

Again: And I guess every source that points out that there are differences are wrong?

So, you DO admit that there are differences...very interesting...

 

ALTER2EGO -to- GMF:
I presented a second example at Post 28 in my thread entitled: "Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?" during which Corwin presented a quotation of Matthew 5:22, which has a translation blunder. When I pointed this out to him, I presented translations from five other Bibles, including the New World Translation. Go take a look and you will see that they are all saying the same thing as the New World Translation, except they present it with different choices of words. Here is the weblink.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2532313&page=2#post17984076

ALTER2EGO -to- GMF:
You go figure it out. If various Trinitarian translations have inserted fabricated words that did not appear in the original writings, and the New World Translation removed the fabricated words, do you wonder why the Trinitarian translators are up in arms and accusing Jehovah's Witnesses of writing a different Bible? In reality, the NWT is saying the same thing as theirs—except the fabricated words were removed from the NWT.

What you and most people don't understand is that Translators who believe in Trinity and hellfire deliberately inserted words into their versions to promote these falsehoods. When compared against ancient manuscripts, it turns out these translations have added in words that are nowhere to be found in the original writings. For instance, the fabricated word "Godhead" does not belong in the Bible. For more on the word "Godhead," read what I said at Post 30 in my thread entitled: "Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?" Below again is the weblink.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2532313&page=2#post17984076

 

LMFAO! 5 agree with him and about 25 don't....so we have to go with the ones that agree with him!! Oh boy!

 

A2E, again, I've noticed that you are carrying on a one-sided conversation with yourself. So, let's set your ugly rancid smelly bigotry aside and let me repeat:

Did you receive any training on comforting the sick and dying, or bringing people together? Have you fed the poor or worked the phones on a suicide hotline as I have done?

What are your intentions? Is your behavior here meant to bring people together, or are you trying to get people to hate you?

Why are you incapable of Christian compassion?

You have no Christian credibility.

O.K., then, prove you are a Christian - what is Christ's Golden Rule and HOW are you demonstrating that here?

 

Did you read the text of post 101? I'm guessing you imagined it provided quotes of material differences? Go back and read it again. It doesn't. If you read it and still imagine it quotes material differences, why don't you provide copies of those quotes in your response to this post. There is a little quote image at the top of the editor, provided for exactly that purpose.

If, by chance, you are referring to the link within Gomeza provides in the post, I would say two things. First, making a statement of fact and providing a link to some arbitrary site is a sure fire way to make yourself sound like an Idiot. Gomeza is quite good at that. If the site has credible information relevant to the subject being discussed, you would normally quote it, and it's source.

Second, follow the link to the blog site. There you will find a single difference quoted between the NWT and NIV of the bible. Truth be told, differences in wording occur between the NIV, the King James bible, and every other bible in existence. IN either event, it in no way substantiates Gomeza's absurd claims or your own. If I'm wrong, back it up. Cite the differences. There is more than enough wrong with the JWs to provide ammunition in an argument against them. Its not like you have to go making up shit.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:

One sided conversation, you say? Is that what I was doing at Post 103 in this thread, during which I asked you six direct questions that you are now evading? Putting on the outraged act is your attempt at avoiding the implication of those six questions. Your silence on those questions speaks volumes.

 

This is a response to post #109 in this thread where the author uses a few insults to demonstrate that said author does not know squat of what he speaks.

The differences in fundamental beliefs between the Jehovah Witness sect of Christianity and the larger mainstream sects are common knowledge, there are over 40 major differences. Knowing that the version of the bible they use (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures) has had several hundred subtle word changes to support these differences should be common knowledge for anyone acting as if they know what they are talking about in this thread. I am not about to list hundreds of bible passages to show all of these changes but will give an example which is used repeatedly.

The following is from: Today's New International Version . . . . for reference go HERE

The following is from: New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures . . . . . for reference go HERE

The subtle word changes from "the Spirit of God" to "God’s active force" is commonly used throughout their bible to support their belief that God is singular in nature and not an entity made up of a holy trinity. All of the other differences in beliefs held by the JWs are treated in the same manner throughout their version of the bible. Other examples are all references to hellfire and Jesus as the son of God have been subtly changed throughout.

 

Stand by for Obamamouth to misrepresent what you just said.

 

Was that some sort of claim to knowledge, as if you are some sort of subject matter expert when it comes to witnesses, or perhaps a theologian? My guess is that, prior to the last 48 hours, you knew absolutely nothing of the subject matter being discussed, and even the subtle differences in translation you are pointing out were highlighted to you on a site that turned up in a top ten Google site list from a search performed yesterday.

I'm trying to figure out how you managed to miss this review of the "more accurate" version of the bible being purported as "the real deal":

There are similar caveats and disclaimers about practically every version of the bible put to print, admittedly with some of the most scathing aimed at the NWT. In a material sense, each christian sect is able to extract it's dogma from whatever version of the bible they hold in their hands, and the witnesses are absolutely no exception to this rule. It isn't like the printing of a textbook where every word is going to be literally translated. Most of the bullshit and mystery comes from what the priest takes as implied by what was not said.

I see. Can you link me a survey that backs that claim? Does it really pump your ego to make such idiotic claims?

And yet, to a witness, you show them an NIV bible with the words "Spirit of God" and they will tell you, "Of course, the spirit of god is god's active force". To them, the two are synonymous. The nature of the Holy Spirit is one of the big items that divides all Christian sects, along with the nature of Mary, what sins are forgivable, the nature of heaven, who is going, what it means to be faithful to god, etc, etc, etc,etc. So many different interpretations of things from what is essentially the same book.

The witnesses have also replaced every instance of the King James wording, "The Lord" with "Jehovah", which they consider to be a more direct and literal translation, as well as one that better substantiates one of their founding principals. I don't consider this to be a material difference either. If you ask any christian who "The Lord" is, they will tell you god. If you ask any witness who God is, they will tell you Jehovah. You ask the christian priests on Cyprus the name of god and they will tell you Allah. Discussions of subtle but meaningful inaccuracies in a particular holy book seem like the most idiotic thing I've ever heard from an atheist, especially when there are so many deep wells of angst to be drawn on with this particular group of people.

 

I wonder how the believers of a 6,000 year old Earth would explain this....

"The oldest plant ever to be regenerated has been grown from 32,000-year-old seeds—beating the previous record holder by some 30,000 years."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/

 

I'm always sorry when I respond to that fool but when someone starts hurling insults and demanding reference sources for such easily proven common knowledge, it is hard to resist. . . . and you were right, he's off on an irrelevant slobbering tangent of moronic drivel once again.

 

Well, if you want to play that game, O.K.

You say I am not answering your questions at Post 103 - well, I asked you THESE questions that you are evading at Post 95 - days BEFORE your demands at Post 103. So, let's try it again, shall we?

A2E, again, I've noticed that you are carrying on a one-sided conversation with yourself. So, let's set your ugly rancid smelly bigotry aside and let me repeat:

Did you receive any training on comforting the sick and dying, or bringing people together? Have you fed the poor or worked the phones on a suicide hotline as I have done?

What are your intentions? Is your behavior here meant to bring people together, or are you trying to get people to hate you?

Why are you incapable of Christian compassion?

You have no Christian credibility.

O.K., then, prove you are a Christian - what is Christ's Golden Rule and HOW are you demonstrating that here?

Oh, BTW - "Jehovah" is not the real name of God. The earliest time the word "Jehovah" was documented was in the 13th century. Can you find me any time that Christ says the word "Jehovah"? The correct translated word is Yahweh.

(BTW - anyone else think A2E writes a lot like stOx?)

 

Yeah...know what you mean. Ignoring him is the only way I think..

 

I picture you two huddled in the dark, holding each other for comfort.

 

Yes, you are right but you do have to admit that cranking him up like a wind up toy and watching him write page long posts of incoherent gibberish, that no one will ever read, is kinda fun. . . . all I have to do is ignore him for a few days, then come back and poke him with a stick and he's wound up for another few days. I know it's cruel but the sheer volume of posted vitriolic words it produces still cracks me up.

 

A bit like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgPizJ261RA&feature=related

When he really gets going he reminds me of this fella!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOObczCkE4&feature=related