Proof the Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God

So....
If there was no Adam and Eve, there was no 'original sin'.
If there was no original sin, there was nothing for your Jesus to save you from.
If there was nothing to save you from, there was no need for Jesus to die.
If there was no need for Jesus to die, there was need for the crucifixion.
If there was no crucifixion, there was no resurrection.
....and if there was no resurrection, Christianity collapses like a house of cards.

Tell me Corwin. What process do you use to decide what things in the Bible are to be taken literally and what aren't? What procedure did you use to deduce that say for example, Noah's Ark is not to be taken literally but the crucifixion and resurrection is?

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
I wonder if you realize how ridiculous you sound? I wrote: "The Roman Catholics--and that's ROMANS as in the same people who executed Jesus Christ--did not write a word of scripture." How in the world could anyone interpret that to mean, "ALL Romans were Catholics," therefore, the Apostle Paul, because he was "famous for being born Roman" was himself Roman Catholic"?

Historically, all Romans were not even Christians. Most of them continued following the polytheistic practice of worshiping many false gods. The Roman state spent more than 100 years brutally persecuting Christians and executed many. This continued long after the Apostle Paul was himself executed by the Roman state.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/history/persecution.htm


The above quotation is taken from research I did a year ago. In other words, I've known for some time that Christianity was not widely accepted in Rome for centuries. So there goes your nonsensical argument that I believed all Romans were Catholics--including the Apostle Paul. Furthermore, as I pointed out in Post 59, Paul repeatedly condemned idolatry--the mainstay of Catholicism. That, in and of itself, rules him out as being Roman Catholic.

 

What was he then Jehovah pedophile? It is funny how you avoid this subject, are you in your unconscious mind ashamed to admit that you are Jehovah witness?

 

He doesn't need to confirm it. I can confirm that he is a JW from past experience of him on other forums. Also goes by the name of 'wilsoncole'.

 

The use of the word "Godhead" and denouncing the "Holy Trinity" used by other Christian religions is a form of verification that the author is a JW. Also uses of terms such as "Darwinism" or "Darwin's Macroeveolution Theory" (terms not used by science) is also verification but to a lesser extent due to the fact that these people have polluted the internet with such terms and these words have been adopted by other creationist knuckleheads.

 

I often hear on other political forums, the accusation made that certain posters are "paid trolls", as if the Koch brothers or some SuperPAC have paid people to hang out on forums and perpetuate right wing ideology. I've always felt the charge to be the height of idiiocy. Either that, or I need to find out where to send in for my paycheck. In the case of Alter2Ego/Wisloncole, the charge of posting as a job is somewhat true.

Jehovah's Witnesses run perhaps the largest and most organized sales organization on the planet. We get a hint of it when they come knocking at our doors trying to engage us in conversation, but most people do not really grasp the scope of the operation. Every last man woman and child in the organization is groomed to be a JW sales person from the day they sign up/are born into a JW family. A large portion of the 5 hours a week they spend at church is focused on public speaking and objection handling. New members are automatically enrolled in something called "the theocratic ministry school" which is nothing more than a sales training program. They are given speaking assignments where they practice delivering witness propaganda from the church podium to other members of the church. From day one, a minimum of 10 hours a week spent spreading the word is requested from every member.

Failure to deliver the full 10 monthly hours of proselytizing can qualify you as "irregular". Failure to deliver any of those hours would make you "inactive". Either of these two statuses, causes a downgrade in your stature in the social group. People are encouraged to give up their day jobs to become what is called a "Pioneer". As a pioneer, these people put in 60 hours of direct sales a month for the organization, rather than the 10 everyone else is doing. Many do more than 120 hours a month. Pioneers enjoy a heightened social status within the church for their dutiful sales activities.

Those hours can be put in by almost any means. Most JWs put them in by knocking on doors, where the congregation pastors have carefully dissected the regions they are responsible for, street by street, house by house, keeping careful notes about sales leads and/or noteworthy events at any house a witness calls on. Other than knocking on doors, any other direct sales activity can be counted, whether it is time spent talking to a neighbor, or time spent on a forum like this one, pushing JW dogma.

With absolute certainty, at the end of each week, Alter2Ego puts the time he has spent on this forum and others, down on a time card which gets handed to his handlers. For this, he gets a pat on the head and is told he is doing a good job for Jehovah, and his place in the afterlife is secure.

The real comedy of the witnesses is, if their dogma was not so absolutely ass backwards, uneducated, and piss poor, if their churches weren't complete closed societies, and if they weren't such such fundamentalists about excommunicating people for the most ridiculous of infractions, with a sales force such as this, they would undoubtedly be one of the largest remaining religions on the planet.

 

Th JW organisation is run by hypocrites. They are anti-war yet have shares in the arms manufacturers RAYTHEON and RAND CAM. They are against many types of films yet have shares in 'DREAMWORKS'. They strictly forbid their members from smoking or even selling cigarettes yet used to have shares in the cigarette manufacture Philip Morris until public outcry forced them to sell.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
By that statement, you've just explained why you are convinced that the pagan Trinity, the pagan hellfire dogma, and evolution myth are Bible teachings. You have my deepest sympathy.

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
The only thing you've shown me is your capacity to cite scriptures and ignore context--after which you apply the wrong meanings to the cherry-picked words that suit your preconceived ideas about the pagan Trinity and Dante's fictional hell. None of the scriptures you presented even come close to the Christendom's 3-prong god and the non-existent hell. In fact I told you as much at Post 52 where I previously gave you the weblink to my thread entitled: "Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?" Below is the weblink again. When you get there, you will find my responses at Post 23, Post 26, and Post 28.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2532313&page=2&posted=1#post17972121

 

Well, I think it's plain to all of us that you are not a fan of education.

But just to refresh your memory:

WHAT???

The Roman Catholic church does not engage in idolatry (the worship of a physical object). No branch of Christianity engages in idolatry. All branches of Christianity use symbols - the crucifix, statues, etc - as points of concentration for prayer. Nobody actually believes that these items are mystical in themselves, they are merely objects of metal or plastic.

Are you dense? The term "Roman Catholic" did not exist until the 17th century. That is 1,600 years after Paul died. Didn't you read that the first three times it was written on this thread?

I wonder if you realize how ridiculous you sound? I never wrote that all Romans were Catholics. Please show me where I wrote that all Romans were Catholics. I never wrote that all Romans were Catholics.

How in the world could you have every interpreted anything I wrote to mean that all Romans were Catholics???

Alter2Ego, I think that you have a fundamental perception problem. You are either too young, or you are unable to understand or follow a logical discussion due to a disability? This is not meant to be an insult or put-down, but I don't think you should be here.

I realize that you have an anti-Catholic bigotry, but there is something disturbing about your posts. Most of what you write is easily shown to be wrong. What are your intentions here?

 

This part of your post likely holds a lot of truth and made me think about the time I came across this user name in another forum. Same deal as here (most of these posts are copied and pasted on multiple forums), a handful of people with some education attempted to reason with the author but to no avail.

It may be safe to say that the same "fundamental perception problem" that you speculate as being the root cause of this type of dysfunctional discussion are what made this person vulnerable to cult indoctrination in the first place.

Or we are all being punked by some spoiled brat, home from private school for the summer who's fundamental perception problems are self induce via chemical recreation . . . or not.

 

Didn't he say that he was going to give us 'evidence' of fulfilled prophecies??

 

2,000 of them if I remember correctly. . . the saddest part about these holy roller types is that a great number of them cannot maintain their fervor in perpetuity and fall off the rails. I have witnessed this scenario more times over my lifetime than I can count and one aspect of their finally accepting reason over fantasy never changes: they never seem to retrace their steps to apologize to everyone they insulted while trying to "spread the news".

 

Wow, this is really weak and a stretch to support those passages. Technically the Earth is constantly moving in relation to the other planets. The Earths orbit is not static. The distance isn't always the same. Even the time the orbit takes isn't exact. Have you ever heard about a leap second? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

"Because the Earth's rotation speed varies in response to climatic and geological events, UTC leap seconds are irregularly spaced and unpredictable. Insertion of each UTC leap second is usually decided about six months in advance by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), when needed to ensure that the difference between the UTC and UT1 readings will never exceed 0.9 second. Between their adoption in 1972 and June 2012, 25 leap seconds have been scheduled, all positive."

Earth's orbit is slowing down... http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae695.cfm We will eventually be consumed by the sun.

So over a long period of time, Earth is not fixed at all. And yes, the Earth moved from under our feet - sometimes a lot. Just ask anyone that has been in an Earthquake.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
The fact that you're again directing my attention to same cherry-picked verses of scriptures--after I twice told you (at Post 52 and Post 68) that I addressed them elsewhere indicates you're attempting to not face the music. The music is waiting for you in my thread entitled: "Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?" For the third time, below is the weblink that will take you to that thread. When you get there, you will find my responses at Post 23, Post 26, and Post 28.
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2532313&page=2&posted=1#post17972121

 

I think it's likely that Alter2Ego is disabled in some way. A spoiled brat or even a troll would engage, Alter2Ego seems unable to engage or even be personable.

We've all had disagreements with people here, but Alter2Ego seems creepy. He has definite memory problems. And there's definitely something incongruent with his Christianity - if he's a fanatic, no fanatic would refer to verses of Scripture as "cherry-picked", a Christian fanatic would hold every verse in the deepest regards. That's incongruent with his past behavior.

I vote we ignore Alter2Ego.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
The very act of using the crucifix, statues, etc. as "points of concentration for prayer" is defined as idolatry. It is in direct violation of God's instructions to not give adoration to carved images--OF ANY KIND.

"{4} You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. {5} You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God is a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;" (Exodus 20:4-5 )


Notice that verse 4 covers religious images of every kind. Also notice that verse 5 says one must not bow down to religious images. That was part of the Mosaic Law which applied only to the Jews. After Jesus Christ established Christianity, the principles of the Mosaic Law were carried over into the Christian congregation. I gave you four quotations from the Apostle Paul during which he repeatedly instructed Christians to steer clear of idolatry.


DEFINITION OF "IDOLATRY":
"Idolatry is extreme admiration or worship, or the worship of craven images or things other than God."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/idolatry


Notice the definition above does not require that one worship the image. The mere fact that the image is "extremely admired" amounts to idolatry.

 

The ignoring part will happen naturally, people simply tire of one sided dialog, the intent of which seems to be a singular agenda of "informing" science and other religions how wrong their thinking is.

I always feel obligated to plant a few seeds of deprogramming before parting company with these types but I'm with you on how strange and futile the dialog is.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
Right, you're now on the run because you're not able to rebut what I'm saying. Go ahead and recruit the skeptics and urge them to ignore me--if you are naïve enough to think that will send me packing. I will continue posting, because even when people don't respond to what I post, they are reading the info. Truth be told, I already put four atheists on "Ignore" since last week. So who's ignoring whom?

ALTER2EGO -to- CORWIN:
That's not the issue, and you know it.

The Roman empire was the reigning world power during the earthly existence of Jesus Christ and during the lifetime his surviving apostles. Some of the Romans (as in Catholics) eventually became "Christianized." At that point, the Catholics hijacked Christianity and proceeded to introduce all sorts of polytheistic practices. Remember, Rome, as a nation, had a long history of polytheism (worship of many gods). So when some of the Romans became "Christianized," they simply brought along their pagan gods and gave these pagan gods Christian names. Below are two examples of this.

1. Christmas celebration was copied from the Roman Saturnalia aka the birthday of the unconquered sun. Christmas is a mirror image of the Roman Saturnalia which included merry making, gift giving, evergreens, lights, feasts, drunkenness—all of the customs that we see in Christmas celebrations. Even the date, December 25, was copied by the Roman Catholics from paganism.

Regarding the fabricated date of December 25 on which Jesus Christ was supposedly born, notice what one independent source says.
"In AD 354, Roman Catholic Bishop Liberius, of Rome, ordered the people to celebrate on December 25." (Source: The World Book Encyclopedia)

Why December 25, one might ask? Below is the answer.
"The traditional customs connected with Christmas [coincided] with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at mid-winter." (Source: Encyclopædia Britannica)


2. Easter celebration was copied from the worship of the pagan goddess of fertility Oestra. The Oestra fertility symbols included rabbits and eggs—just as we see in Easter celebrations.

http://www.magickalmind.com/Easterhistory.htm

 

....except that, as a JW, he uses the JW translation of the Bible, which is somewhat different to other versions.

 

That's what you have done on every forum you've been on wilson/a2e!! As soon as you meet an atheist, or anyone else for that matter that whips your arse, you claim that you have been 'insulted' by them and put them on 'ignore' so that you don't have to deal with them. I'm sure it won't be too long before the mods here will catch on to you - just like they caught on to you every where else - and consign your arse to the bin.