Why do some countries struggle with accepting gay marriage?

They ain't too worried. They have millions of Filipinos to clean caca.

 

That's good and much better than a retired criminal hiding in Spain besides Filipinos are specialized in cleaning those kind of people like you.

nyahahahahahahahaha !

 

Intelligent people give reasons and proof for their claims, people like you just make up as they go along and add couple of lies for good measure.
It is funny that your post about Spanish real estate bubble exactly confirms my post that lack of regulation ("free Market") and problems in the banks caused the economic crisis but I suppose it is too much to expect that you even understand what you copy & paste in your posts.

 

You seem to be the only one attempting to stay on point here. Threads being trashed by the usual suspects happens to some degree in all online forums but if it becomes the norm rather than the exception, it isn't long before it discourages participation from outside of the small group of perpetrators. I refer to it as the "gerbil factor", something in their minds has them instinctively rushing towards the spinning wheel and it matters not how often they get thrown off, they come charging back to get thrown off again.

Coming back and reading this thread after nearly a days absence caused me fits of laughter . . . the gerbils have struck again!

 

Are you 12 or does this quote represent what you consider to be an argument?

Oh is that why Spain's property boom collapsed? I'm guessing you are one of those guys who thinks runs in any given market last forever? Perhaps you, like the Spanish government, thought the boom property prices were sustainable? If you really believe those fairy tales, you probably believe that Israel is entirely responsible for the Palestinian conflict.... oh wait, you do.

 

It is surprising to see how much you DO NOT KNOW about the subjects that you post. Do you have any idea what was Spanish property boom about? Have you read anything about it? Have you ever had dealing with the developers or banks? Let me guess, as usual you are talking out of your A*s and through couple of lies in as good measure. The developers could borrow 60% and had to put 40% of their own money for a construction project. There was a lot money from illegal businesses entering Spanish bank. There was cheap money available for banks from other banks in Europe. What happend? valuation company would put a high value on project. The actual cost was less than 60% borrowed from banks so developers were in profit even before selling 1 unit. The bank employee and people in city hall got their share.
Spain made the mistake of accepting all EU requierments regarding the banks should know their customers and don´t accept cash. The money from illegal activities found better places to go. Economic crisis started and banks could not borrow more money to people to buy so all these developments remaind unsold. It is your "free economy" read license to steal which caused all the problems that average people have to pay for now.

 

Well we could try this......

Does anyone think that gay Jewish bankers should be allowed to marry gay Spanish property speculators??

 

I'm with you on the underlying point you are making here. No political ideology or economic system exists that is universally applicable to all aspects of life within a progressive, all inclusive society. Regarding financial institutions; regulation and oversight must exist to the extent that society's best interests are paramount. The failure to have these measures in place (or the failure to adhere to them) has produced so many disastrous historical examples, that I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

 

Of contributing factors to discouraging participation, I would be willing to put up factless, pointless, demagoguec(sp?) threads like this one against thread derails any day. I suspect most folks would welcome a thread derail when people post idiotic threads about those backward Americans who support terrorism, or can't get on board with socialism, or gay marriage, or who teach intelligent design in their schools, or are supporting the Zionist banking cartels, or are murdering millions of innocent people around the world, or blah blah blah blah blah blah. Its like some sort of broken record that plays the same tune.

You don't even have the intellectual integrity to admit you cant defend your own positions, so you retreat to communicating with only those who think like you which, on this forum, are known lunatics, racists, and islamists (and our beloved resident forum troll GWorld). How do you think that plays out on the whole participatory encouragement scale?

Well, at least you have the courage to blame the fall of the spanish property market on corruption within Spain. Its a step forward, though not the complete picture. You should read the article I posted. It is rather good for the Huff Po.

I see you are happy to drift off topic so long as the topic switch is being discussed with someone you think agrees with you.

 

LOL. You think USA was or is any better??? Haven´t you seen the foreclosures all around you? I don´t need to read your article to know what is happening because I was the one who posted the quote from wiki about the cause of the problem and then you went and copy & paste about the result without even understanding that is confirming what I posted. I also experience it every day. I am trying to buy two bankrupt factories from Spanish banks. The people in the bank agree that my offer is good and correct but they don´t know how to explain it in the bank when bank has borrowed out between 4-7 times of it´s actual value. So no one in the bank answers the emails or telephone calls and everybody sitting and waiting to get the bail out money from the EU and instead of taking the loss themselves, let the tax payers pay for their corruption.

 

WTF are you talking about? Show us the reference to Americans in this thread OP (the current news is in Vietnam). Where have I used the words or even referred to socialism or Zionist banking cartels anywhere in this thread or throughout this entire forum?

You really need to get a handle on your penchant for dispensing blatant bullshit based on nothing more than your rabid imagination. I can't be bothered answering the rest of your nonsense, dialog with you has proven to be nothing more than an invitation to endure copious servings of caustic mindless drivel.

 

As a friend of mine used to say, "You lie to your friends, I'll lie to mine, but lets not lie to each other". What country your gay marriage thread is targeted at is as plainly obvious as who my comments about education and intelligence were targerted at.

Perhaps you were referring to some other country where the gay marriage discussion is front and center, some other country than the topic of your previous thread about the "Creationist problem". I swear you offer the types of excuses one would expect from a small child.

Run Forest, run! Or don't, engage, and defend your ideas. Its all the same to me.

 

The picture says it best.

 

Vietnam is introducing same sex marriage legislation to be voted on this month. Additionally: the governments of Luxembourg, UK, Finland, France, Greece, Poland and Romania are all at various stages of the process of legalizing same sex marriage or similarly defined versions of civil unions. Your country does not seem to be at this stage of the debate as of yet.

Then of course there is the title of this thread "Why do some countries . . . . " . .do you see that the word "countries" is pluralized? Do you realize that there are a number of international members in this forum?

Moving on: Are you really so limited in your education that you feel that anyone willing to expose "creation science" for the scam that it is, automatically harbors an anti-American worldview?

You couldn't possibly be that friggin stupid.

 

You know, there is always the possibility that we are being intentionally punked.

 

Slippery. Very slippery. Your pluralization of the word coutries is your best argument against my allegation that you were referring specifically to America.

As evidence to the contrary, we have your comment from this very quote, where you say, "Your country does not seem to be at this stage of the debate as of yet", implying that America is the poster child of nations that "have a hard time accepting gay marriage"(the title of this thread). As further evidence, we have your comments from a pervious post where you implied Americans only support Israel from religious ferver and (zionist?) propaganada. This comment appeared after another thread started by you, referring to the "creationist problem" in American schools.

Did you start this thread with America in mind? I doubt you were talking about Palestine. I'm sure you will shed just about as much light on the answer to that question as you did on clarifying who it is creating all this propaganda generating mainstream American support for Israel. Looking at your track record, I'll stick with the obvious answer until you provide some real evidence to the contrary.

Isn't this where you post in the quote where I said, "I feel anyone willing to expose "CreationScience" harbors an anti-American world view"? I mean, without having such a quote, making such a charge would just end up making you look desperate, wouldn't it? Think about it.

Don't misunderestimate me. ;D

 

I think there are only ten countries with same-sex marriage isn't there?

Holland
Belgium
Spain
Canada
South Africa
Sweden
Norway
Portugal
Iceland
Argentina.

Any more that I've not heard about? I'm really surprised that Britain hasn't yet done so although it's had 'civil ceremonies' for some time.

 

That list looks right. Various countries are at different stages of the debate, in just a few years that list will be expanded. There are also other countries that have it written into their constitutions to never allow it while still more countries will never likely consider it.

 

Not before time either. It's a disgrace that same-sex couples are not free to marry someone they love and get the same benefits as heterosexual couples.

 

What the heck is wrong with you?

Is there presently legislation before your Senate proposing changes to gay marriage legislation as there is in all of the other countries that I mentioned? Again you go filling in the blanks as you see fit. If there is no proposed legislation, your country is not as far along in the process as the other countries PERIOD. Nothing further implied.

Stop misquoting me in your feeble attempts to vilify. When you say this: " . . . referring to the "creationist problem" in American schools. I said no such thing, go back to that thread and read it again, it clearly says "North American Schools" . . it is repeated a number of times . . . are you reading impaired?

And yet another misquote: " . . . Americans only support Israel from religious ferver and (zionist?) propaganada." . . I did expand on my original quote to include other elements of that support, I have never used the word Zionist in this forum, i did not use the word "ferver"

Again you embarrass yourself but don't seem smart enough to realize it . . . surely there must be other people who can babysit you on this forum.