Muslims: what do you think about all the beheading with allah akbar sounds?

With the amount of muslims people here on DP I don't see many threads protesting against the endless beheading videos with allah akbar sounds.. So do you approve killings "in the name of god" ? Why are you so quiet about it?

 

What did you say ?

 

Where are all these "endless beheading videos" you speak of? I can't recall seeing too many after Danial Pearl's head was cut off.

 

Well of course on youtube we don't see many of those, but on other "gore" sites it is an endless stream, often it involves muslims beheading other muslims heads, but it doesn't really matter, I'm asking about the allah akbar sounds.. Doesn't it bother other muslims? Are they afraid to speak up? Or do they think the islam extremists are more into religion than they are anyway, so they don't feel entitled to say that it is wrong? I don't know, but I don't hear much about that.. On the other hand if you make a cartoon of their prophet or other stuffs like preventing women to wear the burqua, then you get some reaction at least, often loud ones and sometimes violent too..

Anyway, it's true it was just a joke thread, I don't expect any muslim to come up with a clear explanation about their silence on those issues.

 

Probably no worse than America executing mentally retarded people....and I'm sure that it's not unusual for all the other legalised murders America carries out, under the guise of the death penalty, for there to be a priest officiating at the execution who will be praying..albeit quietly but praying all the same...which is all that is happening in your scenario. Why are you so quiet about that?

 

The only difference is the justice system, which is absent in those videos. I'm not talking about the beheading in saudia arabia with a quick sword to the neck. But it seems you don't know what kind of videos I'm talking about.. That's fine. Doesn't matter, maybe they don't say anything about it because they too don't see them

 

'Justice system'?? Are you sure that there was no 'justice system' in the cases shown in the videos? I mean, I'm sure that these videos only show the execution and not what went on before..right?

Oh I know the type all right...but your point was about 'doing it in the name of God'. How is it different to an American State sponsored execution that has a priest praying?

 

Well I think the priest would be here on request from the soon-to-be-killed, and for all others I don't think the executionners and their friends are shouting God is great, but.. ok, let's give up, are you muslim? If no, then I wasn't addressing you in the first place, if you are then come up with an explanation. If all I'm gonna get is answers from the usual posters, then better not having any answer at all.

 

Well for one thing, our Supreme Court has held that it is unconstitutional to give the death penalty to a mentally retarded person so it does not occur any more. (Atkins v. Virginia)

 

How do you know that the people in the video were not shouting 'God is great' at the request of the person being executed? I'm just trying to make you THINK here.

No.

Well that's the problem with posting on a PUBLIC forum isn't it...one tends to get responses from the public who feel they need to speak out. Saying that you only want responses from a certain group will never work.

Marvin Wilson?

 

James has been living in Asia for quite a while and he knows about these beheadings and kidnappings by Islamic militants. The most notorious group are in the Philippines and called Abu Sayyaf. They are supported by Al-Qaeda with Hamas at the shadows.

 

Right, the courts found that the one test he relied on was probably faulty and there was no other test or assessment over the years that showed he was retarded. Basically, he claimed he was (or his lawyers did) but the facts and the courts decided otherwise. That is a factual dispute, not a policy one.

 

We don't actually do that, but to be safe you should probably avoid moving here... just in case.

 

I would have thought that the best thing to have done in the light of that, was to give him another....but then, I suppose that if a new test came up with a low IQ, it would be argued that he deliberately failed the test.

I'm vehemently opposed to the death penalty. I think there is really something wrong with a society that looks upon premeditated killing as unacceptable...and then does exactly that.

 

<<Flush>>...........

 

I am not opposed to the death penalty in, what I consider extreme cases, and where there is no dispute as to the identity of the perpetrator. This would be an example of a case where I think the death penalty is warranted. I think the crime warrants it and they were caught in the act.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders

 

I am firmly opposed to the death penalty in any state where it is expensive to implement it. If we could put murders to death in a cost effective way, without the endless stream of appeals and the high cost of decades on death row, I would be 100% for it.

I think rather than kill our criminals, we should give them the option of exchanging their US citizenship for their freedom. Give em a weeks rations, an automatic weapon and 500 rounds of ammo, and air lift them into Somalia. If they ever appear in the US again, we have a right to shoot them on sight.

 

However 'extreme' the the case, it is hypocrisy. How can we say...'To take someone's life is the most heinous act imaginable'...and then go and do just that.

 

Death penalty for guys that do stuff like that and there's no question of his guilt... Just common sense.

 

"To take someone's life is the most heinous act imaginable" Because that is NOT what we are saying, that is what YOU are saying. I don't agree with that statement.

First, you completely ignore the idea of killing someone in self defense. Speaking of hypocrisy, you are the same person who was telling everyone that they should expect to be attacked if they are attacked in their home trying to justify Palestinians attempts to murder Israelis. So which is it, can you kill someone in self defense or not?

Had someone shot and killed the batman shooter, or the Sikh Temple shooter stopping their rampages, the taking of the shooters' life in those cases would have been both justified and welcome. I am sure the families of the murder victims would not think stopping either of them by taking their lives was "the most heinous act imaginable".

The key is context. I have no qualms about seeing the murderers in the example I gave be put to death. It is you who is equating the rape and murder of an 11 year old, her sister, and her mother to all other takings of someone's life. That you cannot distinguish the difference between various cases is bizarre to me.