MItt Romney : "Don't vote for Obama because he has not visited Israel"

Out on a limb? . . ya think. . . . let's start with this " . . . there you are not only not objecting to the statements, but chiming in with some conspiracy theory about how the Jews run the world via the banks." . . . show us where I have said anything remotely close to this. Seriously, where do you get off making up drivel like this and accrediting it to others?

Again, I'm not going any further attempting dialog with you. Go back and read the original harmless exchange that prompted your frothing lunacy and if you do not see how ridiculous your comments following it are. . . . seek professional help.

 

Still whining ?

 

You have got it wrong, it is the other way around and it is Israel who is using American politicans for their own goals. Politic is expensive and politicans are more or less like whores and serve who ever pays them. Isreal used this during the last 25 years and at the same time funded a successful and expensive propoganda campagin which resulted in many in USA talking about and believing in "Judeo-Christian" culture which in its current form is nothing more than an advertising product.

 

I gave you the opportunity to clear up the meaning of the quote you claimed my vivid imagination had misinterpreted, and all you could come up with was some lame lack of understanding of what I wrote? I don't mean to be condescending (oh hell, who am I kidding) but you might have determined those words were part of an analogy. by the fact they were prefaced with the words, " it is a bit like ". It is a dead give away the words that follow are an analogy.

While it is humorous that our scholarly fellow suddenly has problems with basic reading comprehension, offering an excuse for fleeing the conversation, it pretty much clears up what you were getting at in the quote from your casual conversations with an Islamist.

Makes one wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes. Perhaps you are a full blown anti-semite. Congratulations on ruining your credibility in three simple posts.

 

anti-semetic for asking questions. are you sure you have taken your medication today ?

 

Questions are harmless, and could never be construed as having racist views. Was it really 6 million that died?

 

No. 60 million were killed in World War 2. Most (90%) were non-Jews, but you only care about the Jewish victims right ?

 

I guess you don't recognize put up or shut up time when it is your turn to man up. Again, you posted the following statement:

Show us where I said the portion in bold. C'mon where is it? . . and you have the utter gall to suggest that someone has lost credibility because they have stopped answering your insanity? Fabricating negative comments to vilify others shreds ones credibility beyond redemption, in this context it would be referred to as libel.

I can only defend my own words, I cannot defend against the voices in your head.

 

I am an anti-semistic, a racist and a pedophile, and I'm gay, so what? Are you jealous?

 

Maybe I've arrived at the wrong conclusion. Maybe you are just clueless on how forum quotes work. Let me help you out. This image --> , when it appears next to a person's name at the top of a quote provides a link back to the actual post that is being quoted. It is a strong indication that someone is quoting your words if your name is the name at the top of the quote.

As an example, here is the entirety of my post you are having so much trouble understanding:

Notice how the quote section has my name followed by the image at the very top. Notice how there are three quotes from your posts within my quote. These quote sections are strong indications that I am trying to quote you or present something as something you said. Are you still with me?

Ok, lesson two. Analogies. I'll skip the intro from wikipedia which defines analogies, as I am concerned you might not understand all the big words. If you skip down a bit, you will find the following words under the use of analogies in application to morality.

Now this is the part I hope you can get, as we've been over it once already, and you clearly missed it. In the part of my posts which reads:

The words I bolded, "it is a bit like" are indicative that I am not trying to quote something you actually said, but instead, using an analogy. This is a very advanced concept they teach before 6th grade in our broken American education system, as you call it, so with your far superior Canadian primary schools, one would normally assume you have mastered this concept. Perhaps you haven't. My guess is that you are hiding behind the guise of idiocy to avoid having to stand behind the quote you said I misinterpreted. You are a bit like Jerry Sandusky, playing dumb and claiming it is all harmless locker room towel snapping when caught molesting a school boy. (***Before you start defending yourself against imagined charges of child molestation, that was another analogy, as the words "a bit like" indicate***)

From all appearances, you can't. If you decide to return to an adult conversation, I am still dying to hear your explanation of what you actually meant when you said

Notice the quote image next to your name in the quote, which again indicates I am trying to quote you. Keep trying, you'll get it.

 

Yeah, that's the ticket, when cornered by your own misrepresentations, obfuscate and deny. Then feign indignation using phrases like "If you decide to return to an adult conversation" . . too friggin funny.

One only needs to read post number 37 in this thread to see that you have made up negative slurs and accredited them to me. You do not quote anyone else in post #37, so you could not be accusing anyone else of saying this. One more time: where did I say these things?

I could elaborate on the original short piece of dialog to clarify my meaning but I won't be wasting time doing so with someone who so readily lies through their teeth and isn't man enough to admit their transgressions when caught in the act (again refer to post #37 in this thread).

I am not a health care professional.

 

I am curious what point you are making. Do you consider being gay as somehow akin to being a racist or a pedophile? Seems like an odd list you put together there unless you think being gay is on par with being, "anti-semistic, a racist and a pedophile"

 

Oh yes, I eat puppies at breakfast too, not before having sex with them of course

 

You grouped being gay with being anti-semistic and being a racist and being a pedophile.

I know you were trying to make a point but putting all those "evil" labels on yourself, but instead you inadvertently painted yourself as a bigot. Ironic huh? It was to me.

 

Well in some parts of the world you can still be on trial for being gay, as it was in many place not so many decades ago, so it's not so out of context.

But my point was that trying to shame people by accusing them of being anti-semitic, like it was the godwin point of being a nazi, make me laugh, yes I'm a nazi, so what? Let's get on with the discussion..

 

Nice declaration of victory. Does that qualify as a fact based argument where you come from?

You mean the post I copied in it's entirety and in context just above? Did you think I quoted it to somehow hide it's contents? Repeating the claim I misquoted you is not going to change the words of the post nor the commonly held understanding of the english langauge, so good luck with that tact.

No, but it sounds like you could use one. I haven't given up on you though. Lets try something different.


You said:

I pointed out your statement implies

You responded with

To which I replied

Ever since then, you have been derailing the conversation to the point of absurdity in an effort to avoid clarifying your statement. Why don't we put all the distractions aside and get back to the conversation. Set me straight. If I misunderstood you, What were you actually geting at with the statement:

my difficulty with it is how these fringe beliefs meld with blatant propaganda to produce such widespread mainstream support?

 

Americans need better education in world events. I'd wager that most of the people that support Israel couldn't even point to it on a map much less tell you about the history of the conflict.

Bravo!

Frightening isn't it.

...from one that supports the illegal occupation of another country and the oppression of its people. LOL!

It's what he always does. That's why I have stopped discussing anything with him. He takes what people say and interprets it to say what he wants it to say rather than what it does say. Then, when you call him on it and ask him to show the post where he alleges you said something...he says that you should 'go find it yourself' and refuses to produce it.

You'll be lucky! I've asked him for about a week to produce a post where he accused me of saying something. I'm still waiting three weeks later. He just makes it up as he goes along and thinks people are too stupid to notice what he's doing.

The 'Ignore' function is the answer to people like him.

Not a chance mate! You'll be waiting a long time.

Bingo!! You have him 'bang to rights'!

 

You want clarification? How about you first? In the following statement which you have attempted to dismiss as an analogy you say this:

There are no qualifiers or caveat implying that the analogy carries on past the words "Klan rally,". If the analogy does in fact envelope your words after that point, how would anyone know? It certainly doesn't carry into the next sentence.

Let me put your squirming little mind to rest: I am a citizen of an oil exporting country, there are no Jewish people where I live, I do not know one single Jewish person and have only met a handful of them over my lifetime. Additionally, religious beliefs are not an integral part of our political system (thankfully). These realities and the fact that I am not a resident of a country that professes and demonstrates such a widespread support for Israel leaves me asking a few questions. To me Israel is nothing more than a small country on the other side of the globe.

I am going to ignore your indignation at my having dialog with a forum member that you do not approve of, you are completely out of line with your tenuous attempts at over blowing simple dialog into an equivalent of endorsement . . . . but to clarify the statement that sent you into orbit, let me simply add a few words of clarification (in bold and italics).

As a person born and raised in a foreign country without the same social influences, my difficulty with it ("it" refers to the Michelle Bachman religious example) is how these fringe beliefs meld with blatant propaganda and all other associated elements to produce such widespread mainstream support?

That is all you get. Asking questions that you have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog to react negatively to, does not constitute racism or antisemitism.

 

I've had many a discussion in various forums on this subject and without once ever making a comment that would warrant it, every last one of the threads produced charges of antisemitism. Not one question has ever been answered with anything but religious claptrap, insults and propaganda.

 

Let's start over then and maybe you can better explain what you are referring to.

That breaks down into a couple statements:

As I understand you are saying that you understand why those two groups support Israel

Then you say:

It sounds to me like "fringe beliefs" you are referencing the two statements above. (the "convoluted eschatology" and the "right wing loonies") But then you suggest that the rest of the support for Israel is because of, "blatant propaganda".

So, it would appear that you see only 3 reasons why Americans would show wide spread support Israel.

convoluted eschatology
right wing loonies
blatant propaganda

So, I have two questions for you. Do you think there are any legitimate reasons why someone might support Israel or only for the reasons you suggest in your post? What is this "blatant propaganda" that you think Americans have been subjected to?

You appear to ascribe American support of Israel to your limited set of reasons and dismiss any legitimate reasons for that wide-spread support. Your was not just "a question" but a loaded question in which you suggest only 3 reasons for wide spread American support of Israel.