Anniversary of JFK, the last great president

This was the last president that had the will to want to try to change things and would have implimented those changes if given the chance.
Nsam 55, 56, 57
nsam 263

These will forever be the documents that historians will define his presidency.
People dont ask me what they stand for, google it on the net if you truely love freedom and democracy

 

Yep, JFK was one of the last great presidents(Ronald Reagan?). Despite bing a democrat, he was against the capital gains tax, wanted to abolish the federal reserve, and attempted to do many great things for this country.

Unfortunately he was killed before there was a chance for any of these things to come to life.

 

He wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve? I didn't know that. Wow...I'm going have to look into that (for the details). That would take a lot of balls, because that's the lifeblood of the oddities of both parties. With constraints on credit, there's no utopian social programs or long-term undeclared wars.

Damn, that guy made a lot enemies.

 

Exactly...

 

Truly sad as he was headed for big things. It seems like almost all the great presidents remembered in this country of ours were ones that had their lives ended shortly. Abraham Lincoln will forever in my mind be remembered as the greatest president that ever lived and he is one of my heros.

 

Lincoln's not a hero to me. He's pushed-up by historians, but the man was far from great. Pragmatic..hell yeah! Not really a person I look-up to.

I didn't like the South, either,...in many respects. It was a scummy time in American history.

 

Kind of hard to really rate JFK. His term was abbreviated by assassination, but what he stood for then runs in stark contrast to what the Democratic Party stands for today. Perhaps Sen. Joseph Lieberman from CT is the last of the JFK democrats as some have suggested. What a pity.

 

I went back and read up on JFK on Wikipedia because I kind of remember there were some great things and not so great things about his presidency. I was amazed at how he was active against communism but failed in his efforts agains several communist movements including Cuba and Viet Nam. I am still impressed that he was strongly against Communism while his party (and the university system) is so pro-communism. Credit to JFK for the space program and standing up to many southern Democrats on Civil Rights.

 

I don't see Lieberman in the same category as JFK or RFK. They were incredibly unique democrats, almost to the point of not inheriting the name democrat. Now-a-days, I would describe them as slightly leaning to the right.

*Low taxes
*Supposedly opposing the Federal Reserve
*Thought welfare wasn't the best alternative
*Good defense
*Left on general social issues that both parties tend to agree on,... now-a-days
*Generally prudent on military behaviour.

Now-a-days you have many democrats that support an extreme social agenda. A clear majority of them support social programs (with little alternatives), and they'd never support the end of the Federal Reserve. On the other hand, the far right isn't as prudent on military behaviour, and not all would be keen on eliminating the Fed.

I find myself favoring JFK and RFK more and more everytime I hear about them. Is there any politician out there, that's exactly like them?

 

You said it. Social engineering would be an apt term too. The Dems have raised victimhood to an art form.

 

Rick the problem is even if there is a politician just like them, they wouldnt survive long. Throughout the history of mankind if a leader was for the people the power elite will usually find a way to do away with them through either assasination or discrediting them in certain ways. Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew how distant our politicians have become with the will of its people. The founding fathers gave great concentrated powers to the office of the presidency which is supposed to be good because we are supposed to be in control of who gets elected into this power position, yet the assasination did away with that.
You just have to ask yourself why did our government decide to hide all of the findings of the house select committee on assasinations findings until the year 2029? What was so big to be hidden away from us(the american people)?

 

what is an extreme social agenda?

 

JFK a great man/president or a warmonger?

I will give you an example from JFK's inaugural speach:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty. "

 

Ric are u on drugs? where do u get warmonger from that speech, plus have u studied nsam's 55, 56 , 57 and 263?

 

JFK is stating that the US will bear any burden for the success of liberty, he does not specify liberty in the US only. He would obviously approve of sending troops into IRAQ. That obviously makes him either a warmonger, in the pocket of oil companies, stupid, or whatever else the libs call Bush.

 

Wow... do you even know who JFK is?

Seriously... or is this "opposite day" and nobody informed me?

 

I would ask you the same. These are his words:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty. "

What does that mean? Does it mean that we only support action if we find WMDs? Or does it mean just what he said?

 

It tells me he was sending a message to all countries who chose to oppose or threaten our country in any way.

But let's not forget who was AGAINST the war in Vietnam, Laos and several others... while Republicans were screaming "he's making us look weak" and wanted LBJ to take over because they knew he'd give the War to them.

But you're saying he WANTED war, from what I gathered? He was against those Oil Company types and would NOT have EVER went to Iraq as there was no need to in the first place. The Terrorists we were supposedly after were in Afghanistan and that search lasted up until he (Bush) took the US to Iraq...to get the Oil daddy didn't get.

Let's remember why the Kennedy's didn't like LBJ... He helped out his Oil Tycoon buddies in Texas...

...Sound familiar?

 

He would have never gone into Iraq? What part of
"pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty. "
do you not understand?

I didn't see where he specified only the liberty of Americans. No, I'm not saying he wanted war. I'm saying that he believed in defending and spreading liberty accross the world, and was willing to spill blood to do it.

 

But he backed out of 3 wars, man? Some people say alot of things in hope that they can instill fear into their "rivals". I'm sure it was more hype than it deserved...