MItt Romney : "Don't vote for Obama because he has not visited Israel"

When did the Arabs and Muslims last support multicultural and multi-faith societies? 1,000 years ago, maybe 500 hundred years ago?

And what do they support now?

here is some multi-cultural news about Arab/Mulim love your neighbors from Iraq where shiites and sunnis are back slaughtering one another

and here is a wonderful graph visually describing current patterns of Arab/Muslim multi-cultural love and affection in Syria, the current best example of Arab/Muslim multi-cultural acceptance

Actually the only time the folks in the US dealt with Arab/Muslims when we needed to learn about acceptance was back in the Tripoli war. By the end of that period the Arab/Muslims, now engaged in slave trade were crushed.

Basically, all that was learnable then was about slavery...something the Arab/Muslims embraced. We ultimately ended slavery in our nation, and have confronted hatred and prejudice ever since.

It appears that like rabid dogs the Arab/Muslim culture you promote has gone backwards, like a mad dog infected with rabies.

 

After the Turkic Mongol invasions, the Islamic nations went into decline. Then the Europeans colonized much of the Muslim world and installed puppet dictators that are alive until this day.

But the fact remains, there's be no western civilization as we know it today without the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqi's, Persians and Muslims. You brag about multiculturalism when this was first practiced by Muslims. You are probably on welfare but you don't know that the welfare state that you benefit from was invented by Muslims.

 

And decline they stay. Now they are actively, aggressively, happily killing one another in great numbers, every day, every week, every month, every year, every decade: Decade after decade. It would appear all brain power was sapped as they went into decline. Congratulations.

 

That was a clever invention by muslims though I am not sympathetic with the idea of moving in the middle of the night because you couldn't pay the rent.

 

Hey Solar Products - Which one of these tolerant inclusive peace lovers is you?

 

I believe what you are saying to be correct but it has always baffled me as to why this is true? . . elaborating on this: have you ever asked yourself why you include yourself amongst those who support Israel?

 

She is American, so most likely the TV told her so.

 

Which one of these tolerant inclusive peace lovers is you ?





I bet you are this old hag !

 

Nice accidental confession, dups-boy.

 

What the shit are you talking about ?

I don't know half the things you say - "dupsboy" "solarproducts" WTF .

Anyway, you didn't answer the question, which one of these peace lovers are you ?

 

Clap-clap-clap. Good try.

 

Former presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann believes that God will curse America if does not support Israel [source]. There's ALOT of Americans who share this belief.

 

I get the part where the Christians are using the Jewish people as pawns in their convoluted eschatology and some of the more vocal right wing loonies think foreign policy should be designed around this belief, my difficulty with it is how these fringe beliefs meld with blatant propaganda to produce such widespread mainstream support?

 

What I can't figure out is how supposedly intelligent and educated people can throw their support behind devout racists and terrorists. It sounds like the two would be polar opposites, yet often, you will see supposedly educated people from Academia carrying on conversations with Islamist idiots who regularly talk about genocide as a means to an end. I just don't get it.

There appears to be a strange nexus between the progressives and the Islamists. Perhaps it is a shared value of socialism. Perhaps it is blind sympathy for a suffering group of people without taking into account the causes for that suffering. Democrats in the US, for instance, would keep throwing welfare at poverty until our nation is populated entirely by the indolent.

Whatever it is, I find it deeply disturbing you would even give the time of day to a guy like Mikael who regularly talks gleefully about the elimination of Jews, Shias, and anyone not believing in his very misguided vision of Islam. What gives?

 

^^ this seems to happen a lot. Not sure if new people come to this section of the forum and are not familiar with the history some of the posters bring. Mikael and others have said some truly vile things in multiple threads so many of us are less likely to give his bullshit threads any benefit of the doubt. I can see how others might make a mistake on an occasional visit to the part of the forum. Then you find someone like pladecalvo who laps it up like he finally found someone speaking his language.

 

Civil dialog with someone, regardless of what they may have posted in the past, is not something I feel I have to answer to anyone for. If you find it "deeply disturbing", maybe you should just move on. If the first part of your post (the part I omitted) is an attempt at ascribing culpability or implying sympathy towards racist worldviews, I would have to ask who are you speaking of?

Surely you did not deduce that from the 2 sentences I posted earlier . . . or did you?

 

Sure. Lets examine the context. Mikael pipes up with what I assume is a fact about Michelle Bachman's religiously based fear of god's wrath for failure to support Israel. He then follows up with a load of completely unsubstantiated hooey about "ALOT" (how many is a lot? As many as the number of Islamists who feel the religious need to wipe Jews off the planet?) of Americans who share her views.

You then chime in with

As if to say the only reason America supports Israel is either a) propaganda or b) religious ideology. I hope you are intelligent enough to see the flaw in such a groundless generalization.

Given the very racist and ignorant tone of Mikael's posts in the past, it is a bit like a Klan leader talking about the Jewish problem outside the context of a Klan rally, and there you are not only not objecting to the statements, but chiming in with some conspiracy theory about how the Jews run the world via the banks. Later on, you stare blankly in amazement at anyone who could be offended by your comments or your overt association with a known racist and terrorist sympathizer. I'm sure next you might hide behind allegations of McCarthyism, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I hope I've answered your question.

 

You didn't answer anything but you have demonstrated a vivid imagination. As with the last time we attempted dialog, you have filled in the blanks as you see fit to produce an acidic diatribe of barely cohesive nonsense.

Just to give you a hint of where your thought processes fall off the rails: I did not say that religious beliefs and propaganda were the only reasons for widespread US support of Israel. .. A commenter in a public forum does not automatically take on the characteristics of, nor fully endorse the views of, another commenter simply by responding to one of their posts.

There simply has to be better things for you to become "deeply disturbed" about.

 

I was told that Israel is a democracy and loves freedom and that's why America supports Israel. It of-course has nothing to do with that since Israel is not about freedom nor is it a democracy. Other will say that Israel is an asset when in fact it is a liability that costed $3 trillion dollars since 1948. An American that supports Israel in it's current configuration is either Jewish, a Christian fundamentalist, someone who hates Arabs and Muslims or someone who is ignorant of the facts.

American politicians love to kiss Israel's ass because that means they'll get paid by Jewish donors.

 

No you didn't. Your exact words were actually:

"my difficulty with it is how these fringe beliefs meld with blatant propaganda to produce such widespread mainstream support"


I suppose I really went out on a limb to interpret "fringe beliefs" to be the beliefs of Michelle Bachman, and to interpret "blatant propaganda" as lies originating from Israel (or some zionist conspiracy?), and "widespread mainstream support" as the general support Israel enjoys with the American people. How silly of me and my vivid imagination.

By all means, set the record straight and explain what exactly you were driving at in your pleasant little conversation with one of the forum's resident advocates for genocide.