American Terrorist Kills 6 at a Sikh Temple

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Mikaƫl2, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. superduper3

    superduper3 Active Member

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    #21
    yes i was married to a jewish lady , now am married to a white muslim , before i was married to a jewish lady i went out with a sikh girl for 7 years .

    as a muslim i believe in most faiths as they books from god , as a muslim i dont believe in race as we all equal


    to be honest i've never been to your land one day i shall and will see how amercians are like am sure you have many many good people .

    regarding 9/11 do you really think it was muslims that did it ????? how the buildings fell no way was it planes that did it


    I dont hate as am muslim , i just love all for the sake of god

    peace be with you again and one love to all


    just to add its daft how people fight over faiths when we are all are children of adam pbuh born out of sin , so we all sin and we all shall be judged by our creator on judgement day.
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Do you consider Osama Bin Laden and his followers to be Muslim? If so, then the answer is obviously yes.

    The science behind the collapse of the buildings has been gone over and over and over and over again by a myriad of scientists from a variety of places outside of the US. There is more consensus inside the scientific community that the planes caused the buildings to collapse than there is behind the theory of evolution. Of course that doesn't stop people who know very little about science from claiming otherwise.
     
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  3. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    #23
    If America were not so obsessed with guns it might help.
     
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  4. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #24
    A deranged person is still a deranged person without a gun. Considering all the deaths that happen each day, in the US and around the world, these incidents of mass shootings are relatively few and far between in the US. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States, I would not think we should get rid of car ownership any more than we should get rid of gun ownership.

    There were other mass shooting the last couple days. This guy is dead and gone, some of the others were done by groups with a political angle and it is those groups I would be worried about since they will try to do it again.
     
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  5. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    #25
    Well we are talking specifically about gun deaths rather than traffic deaths but still, you make a valid point. However, if you looks at the gun deaths in the US compared to say, the UK where you can't own guns like people do in the US, the statistics clearly show that banning gun ownership would certainly help. Traffic deaths are somewhat different. A motor vehicle is just as much a lethal weapon as a gun but unfortunately, motor vehicles are such an integral part of modern living that we would have great difficulty doing without them. Not so guns. I don't really envisage the collapse of modern society if people were prevented from owning guns.
     
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  6. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #26
    The right to own a gun is an integral part of America. It is specifically enumerated in our Bill of Rights, just after the right to free speech. If you think about the history of repressive governments you would understand that allowing your citizens the right to own weapons is an act of government putting a huge check on its own power. One that I think is important.

    The acts of a few deranged nuts is not a reason to do away with that right. While it is sad to see any deaths, as a society we decide that we are willing to accept a certain number of deaths by cars so we can all drive cars. Likewise, we are willing to accept that there will inevitably be deaths caused by guns but are not willing to give up our right to have them. And frankly, while the gun deaths are highly publicized I am no more bothered by them than I am someone killed by a person texting while driving or killed by a drunk driver. There are laws and people will sometimes break them. Because some might break the laws is not a good reason to take away the rights of others.
     
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  7. pladecalvo

    pladecalvo Peon

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    #27
    I can't understand why on earth anyone would even WANT to own a gun! Is it a macho thing?
     
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  8. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #28
    Why would you want to own a knife? Why own a safe? Why own life insurance? Why own auto insurance? Why lock your door? Why not let the government install cameras in your home? Why not allow your vehicle to be searched at will?

    As you have demonstrated so often, there are a great deal of things you don't understand.
     
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  9. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #29
    LOL. This is one of the most stupid arguements ever. During the last decade, the government legalized to spy on Americans, to detain them without courts and even kill them without a verdict but none of these gun carrying American did anything. There are few nut cases in Montana that are running around playing war games getting ready for either the day the society collapses or the white power takes over the government but that is it. Gun lobby is about gun manufactorer selling guns and got nothing to do with bill of rights or having a millitia to defend the country.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #30
    And yet I neither live in Montana, nor am I a hunter, nor am I prepping for the collapse of society or the rise of white power, yet I own a few guns and support the gun lobby and the NRA. Most people I know, including a few liberals, have a similar story to tell. I normally don't use anecdotal evidence to counter a point, but I figure it is at least as good as the factless and outlandish claims you make based on stereotypes and little else.
     
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  11. Bushranger

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    #31
    What's wrong with having to pass a character test before owning a gun? Not that it will cut out all the crazies but it could seriously reduce the chances of someone killing your kid, partner or parents by some random, angry crazy-man. I've had a couple of guns but got rid of them many years ago. I like our strict gun laws, now it's only the crims killing each other here, mostly.
    It's not often we get gun-totin crims robbing banks or stores (Australia-wide), not to say it doesn't happen but the chance of another shooting massacre here is at preposterous stage (unless it's crims killing crims).
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #32
    For one thing, the poster above you can never pass it and get a permit to own a gun. :)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #33
    So how did you use your guns to put a check on government during the last decade or do you think it is part of government right to spy on you, detain you with showing cause or kill you when they feel you might be a danger without you actullay being convicted of any crime?:rolleyes:
    The whole browntwn post is just BS because as soon as you try to use your gun or even a knife to defend your rights, you will be classified as domestic terrorist and eligible for being killed.
     
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  14. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #34
    I don't know about your country, but in America we use courts to defend our rights. Nobody suggested pulling out a gun every time you think someone infringed on your rights. As far as trying to stop government actions we don't agree with, we have elections and courts to address those problems. You are typical of someone who hears one thing and tries to stretch it beyond all recognition just to try and make it fit your simpleminded world view. I am not surprised you don't understand it, and I don't care either. Whether or not foreigners understand, appreciate, or are upset at our laws is not a concern of mine. Go bitch about the US to your hearts content.
     
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  16. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #36
    So don't buy one. There are lots of reasons to not to personally want to own a gun, and also there are reasons others might want one. Unlike you I can certainly understand people wanting to own one for many reasons. Sport, hunting, self protection. Have you ever been shooting? It is lots of fun. There are even Olympic sports involving guns. Oh no, the horror!

    Oh great, the Spanish Welsh hypocrite chimes in. Did you have anything of substance to add?
     
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    #37
    I just hope that one day you notice as much as others how stupid you sound. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. browntwn

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    #38
    Read them slowly and you will see they are fully consistent.
     
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    #39
    Yeah.... pitting your skills against a vicious rabbit or bird...and you armed only with a high powered rifle too. How macho of you.

    Hey! How would it be if we put you into the jungle without a gun and then let a hungry tiger hunt YOU. Would you still think hunting was 'fun' then?
     
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  20. browntwn

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    #40
    Whoa, there tiger you are making way too many assumptions making an ass of yourself. I've never been hunting, not that I have a problem with all hunting.

    I have shot at a paper target at an indoor range. I guess a tree died to make the paper. I've shot at wood at an outdoor range, I guess that is mean of me to shoot a dead tree.
     
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