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Fool, my sons are 2 and 5 and I would not risk their lives over a piece of dirt. Because unlike many Palestinians I would not sacrifice my children does not make me any less of a patriot it makes me a father.

But frankly, when fools like you deem yourselves fit to question my loyalty to my country, the more I can tell I am dead on correct with my positions. Your views of me are insignificant. I know you desperate wish I cared what you think of me, but I really can seem to give a fuck what a bunch of Jew hating bigots think.

 

Yes, yes! I got it the fist time around...you would not fight against an occupying force that had stolen your land and demolished your home. How does that make you patriotic??

Can this be the dude that says MY posts are filled with hate and aggression... LMFAO!

 

The problem with your argument is, the Palastinian refugees we took in were given citizenship, unlike Jordan, and the surrounding Arab states, which kept most as refugees. It would seem your real protest should be against the Arab states which refuse to grant citizenship to the Palestinians.

Interesting reading to be found here:
http://immigration-online.org/230-palestinian-immigration.html

It would appear you don't read your own posts, where you continually justify acts of terror with phrases like, "What would you do?", implying most people would start packing their childrens lunch bags with C4 like the Palestinians do.

Gee that sounds familiar. You quit responding to my posts with anything but groundless insults some time ago. Run forest.

You left out ignorance.

There are only 30,000 refugees still alive of the 711,000 from 1948. Regarding the status of their children, and the refugees from the 6 day war, if you think the Israel/Palestinian issue is close to resolution, you are as insane as most of Israel's neighbors. The humanitarian thing to do would be for Jordan, and the other Arab states holding these people as refugees to grant them citizenship. When the conflict unwinds one day, perhaps there will be land and reparations waiting for them in a newly created palestinian state.

 

Israel keeping 7 million Palestinians as refugees is not something to be proud of.

 

I quit responding to your posts because I proved you to be deliberately misrepresenting what I said. You were caught deliberately lying and the proof of that can be found in post 26 of this thread.

 

Much easier to spam the internet with Jewish propaganda ....

 

One has to only see the many threads started by browntown to see that he's nothing but a Jewish fraudster that is pretending to be an American patriot .. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ "I as an American support and love Israel "

 

Right! So according to you, running away from an argument is justifiable so long as you believe your own excuse for doing so. That jives nicely with your belief that it is ok to teach your children to be martyrs so long as you have a really good excuse. Apparently cowardace and ignorance are spoken here.

 

It no excuse. People only have to go back and read post 26 to see that you have - and are still - misrepresenting what I have said...making it up as you go along, in other words.....lying.

Still talking through your arse I see! Go and read post 26....then find me a post where I say that it is my belief that "it is ok to teach your children to be martyrs so long as you have a really good excuse." Oh wait! Of course...you can't, because such a post does not exist. Yet again you interpret my words for what you WANT them to say rather than reading what they DO say.

So come on Obamamouth. Let us all see what a liar you are yet again. Prove me wrong by producing the post. The one where I say that it is "ok to teach your children to be martyrs".

Here I'll post 26 below so that all can see that I, unlike you, have nothing to hide. I can produce the posts where I have stated my 'beliefs' and in none of them have I advocated killing women and children as you claim. Nowhere have I stated that it's OK to teach your children to be martyrs. So now all you have to do to show the world that you are not a liar, a fraud and a charlatan, is to prove me wrong by producing the posts where I contradict what follows from post #26.
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"You have no intellectual integrity at all do you? I don't know how you can display such a lack of intellectual integrity.

I am now going to prove just how devoid of intellectual integrity you are by exposing your blatant lies:

You accuse me of advocating the killing of women, children and old people...yet you can't produce one single post from me to support your accusations. Why? Because no such posts exist. In fact, my stance is the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of and I will prove it by producing the following (you see obamaman? I can produce the posts to back up my claim...you can't)

1: In post 13 of the 'Hamas' post, I specifically state that it is NOT acceptable to kill innocent people.

"No, it isn't acceptable and I never said that it was (so your argument is a straw man) and neither is Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian lands acceptable or it's use of high-tec weapons against innocent civilians."

2: In post 38 of the same thread where you again accused me of accepting the murder of women and children as a means to an end, I specifically told you that I do not and challenged you, YET AGAIN, to find any post of mine that advocates the killing of women and children for political ends....you still haven't done so.

3: As for me saying "I would do the same and so would you", it should be clear enough to anyone that I was referring to fighting anyone that attempted to take our homes and kill our families and I clarified that in post 47.

4: In post 74 there is another specific statement were I denounce terrorism.

"I am against terrorism in all forms, whether it comes from the Palestinians, Jews, Africans, Germans, British, Spanish or anyone else that you care to mention. "

Followed by...

"Nope! I don't want to see Jews dying any more than I want to see Palestinians dying."

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So there you have it folks...proof conclusive that Obamamouth is DELIBERATELY misrepresenting my words and DELIBERATELY misrepresenting my beliefs.

 

Does repeating your argument make it feel more effective for you? If so, perhaps you should reprint your argument every three posts. Who could possibly argue with such repetition.

In the spirit of repetition, let me remind you that every time I mention Palestinian rockets flying into Israeli schools and residential neighborhoods, and the use of children as self detonating weapons by Hamas, your response is "What would you do?".

Now I can appreciate that you don't recognize your asking of that question as a justification for that behavior, but I suspect most people do. The way you express it, it is no different than a poor mother who has no money and no food for her children who then steals a bottle of milk so her child can eat. After all, wouldn't you do the same?

I constantly remind you that, no, most people would not do the same. Those actions require an outright hatred of all the people of Israel, man, woman, and Jewish child. It also requires an utter disregard for human life to turn your young children into walking bombs.

As highlighted nicely by your friend Ishaqjude who openly quotes on this forum from anti-Semitic websites, or Mikael who openly states he wishes for Iran and Israel to annihilate each other, the goal is not peaceable coexistence. It is annihilation.

Your boiler plate asterisked disclaimer that you stand in opposition to the murder of civilians and weaponization of children rings about as hollow as it would coming from Osama bin Laden.

 

I can tell you for a fact - they don't. I've been watching TV for a loooong time now, and never came across such hateful content.

What is the way for peace then? What would you suggest to resolve this conflict?

I've posted videos taken directly from palestinian children's TV channel, content filled with propaganda, content that glorifies martyrdom, murder of innocents and hate towards Zionists and Jews. To kids. There's absolutely no such content on Israeli TV, and I can say that for a fact as a person who grew here.

So you're going with the "how else?" approach, from which I can conclude you approve of the content that is being shown to children on palestinian channels. That is sick. You think it's OK to brainwash children into martyrdom, murder of innocents, murder of Zionists and Jews?

Accurate and true history, tolerance, non-hateful values, honesty, human rights, leadership, sciences, etc etc. A lot of things can be incorporated into education that can substantially advance the palestinian society on all levels, OTHER than hate and violence.

 

Does you repeating that I support the killing of women and children make it more effective for you?

Well YOU cant argue with it that's for sure. The evidence is there in post 26 for all to see. You've been caught bang-to-rights.

More misrepresentation! The 'what would you do' is asking what you what would do if your country was invaded, your home destroyed and your family killed. It has nothing to with asking you if you would strap bombs to yourself or kill children. It is a simple question which you continually refuse to answer. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Would you do the same as me.... fight for your freedom, fight to expel the invaders, fight to protect you and yours? Or would you do as you say the Palestinians should have done...just accept what has happened to you, shrug your shoulders and move on....in other words, surrender.

Well then most people would be wrong.

Well yes actually I would, if it meant that my children would not die of starvation....and even though I don't know you, I can confidently say...so would you. If you are going to tell me that you would rather see your children starve than steal a bottle of milk then you are either a liar or mentally unstable.

See post 26.

You'll have to take that up with them. They do not speak for me nor I for them.

Take it or leave it as you wish. It is there in post 26 and people can take it or leave it.

Osama bin Laden?? Wait a minute! Wasn't he that 'dirty murdering Arab' that the Americans helped to power, supplied with weapons and was seen as a "FREEDOM FIGHTER" by America...as long as he was fighting the Russians - but who, when he did the same to Americans as the Americans were paying him to do to Russians, was seen as a "TERRORIST" by America?

Yeah!! I remember him.

 

Of course I would. You've obviously missed the point (again). What the Palestinians are doing is not stealing a bottle of milk. They are giving their children the gift of hate and death. It is actually quite the opposite of stealing a bottle of milk.

And yet all three of you speak for the Palestinians.

Oh boy. You answer a comment about the uselessness of denouncing violence in one breath while supporting it with excuses in the next with .... conspiracy theories? Granted, this has been your course throughout our conversations. You simply refuse to acknowledge anything you don't like, though responding with this kind of idiocy is just laughable. It reeks of the bs indoctrination your other two pals on this thread are full of. You know, if you wrap the tin foil too tight, it can cause permanent brain damage, or perhaps I have cause and effect confused.

Let me bring you back to the point. When you denounce violence in one breath, but in the next ask "What would you do", and go a step further saying, "You would do exactly the same", it is a justification for the behavior of the Paletinians, which includes targeting civilians with terror, weaponizing their children, and indoctrinating their children with racial hatred. Besides, I have absolutely no skill in constructing childrens tv shows that teach racial hatred, so how would I even go about it. There is a whole thread filled with actual video and you have said not a word. A very one sided issue for you.

 

Of course! All the Jewish videos must be believed and all the Palestinian videos have to be dismissed. How predictable!

It's something that certainly is going to have to come in stages and I'd want to see a political settlement.....but that means someone is going to have to make a first move and as Israel is the aggressor and is ILLEGALLY holding Palestinian land, against international law, I think it should be on them to be the first to shows a willingness for peace by complying with the UN resolutions against it - primarily, to withdraw back to the pre '67 borders. There must be an immediate cease-fire on both sides.

...and we have been shown the same sort of things from the Jewish side.

Then I shall conclude that YOU approve of the contents we can see on the internet regarding Jews teaching their children to hate Palestinians.

No I don't. Nor do I think it's OK to brainwash Jewish children to hate Palestinians, nor for whites to hate blacks or for straights to hate gays. Perhaps YOU should go read post 26 too?

OK...all commendable...but if you are going to teach them accurate and true history, just what are you going to tell them about the illegal occupation of their country?

 

Hand them a history book? Hell, wiki links would do. Clearly you have never read any of them.

 

OK! How about this...

"The first use of the term 'territories occupied' was in United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 following the Six Day War in 1967, which called for "the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East" to be achieved by "the application of both the following principles: ... Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict ... Termination of all claims or states of belligerency" and respect for the right of every state in the area to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem in 1980 (see Jerusalem Law) and the Golan Heights in 1981 (see Golan Heights Law) has not been recognised by any other country. United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 declared the annexation of Jerusalem "null and void" and required that it be rescinded. United Nations Security Council Resolution 497 also declared the annexation of the Golan "null and void". Following withdrawal by Israel from the Sinai Peninsula in 1982, as part of the 1979 Israel–Egypt Peace Treaty, the Sinai ceased to be considered occupied territory. Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in September 2005, and declared itself no longer to be in occupation of the Strip. However, as it retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline, it continues to be designated as an occupying power in the Gaza Strip by the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly and some countries and various human rights organizations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

 

You know pal, I have to say it. I think there is something mentally wrong with you. You lie, you misrepresent, you refuse to answer simple questions, you bring up analogies about stealing bottles of milk and when I respond to them you say that stealing milk bottles has got feck all to do with anything. You really are 'tupped' man! Now go back and read post 26. Read it again and again and again in the hope that it will sink into your skull.

I will not be responding to any more of your posts but I will make sure that I point out any further posts where you misrepresent my words.

Oh...and you you can shout 'nah, nahnee nah nah', 'Run Rabbit Run' and any of the other puerile, inane and childish comments you have until you are blue in the face. It only shows your infantile mentality.

Goodbye.

 

What do you mean all Jewish videos must be believed? I'm telling you I've never encountered such hateful, violent mongering content on Israeli children's TV shows. There are no such children's TV shows. You say there are? Prove it. Provide me with links to videos, as I've done on this thread.

What I've seen so far is a few photos of kids with guns, and a few videos with slideshows of the same photos. I haven't seen any examples of hateful content shown to Israeli children on TV.

Nope. I don't approve of teaching children to hate palestinians. That was very easy to answer, because I'm not a hate monger.

That's good to hear. So you are against the fact that palestinian children's TV programs teach hatred and glorify martyrdom. Why not go to this thread and say it. Why don't you come and say "I think this is bad and I completely disagree with such methods" ? Will saying that hurt your agenda? Will it make you look weaker among fellow muslim brethren?

Pretty much what Obamanation said. Hand them a history book.

 

Way to address the points! Do you really think ad homs qualify as an argument of any sort?

I'm still waiting for you to respond to any of them with something other than a whine and an ad hom. I think it is pathetic you are so unable to defend your positions on this issue. I don't tease you about running away as an argumentative tactic. I do so because it is the only thing you seem to be capable of doing.

He doesn't need proof. We are all supposed to take his word for it.

Because that would show rational thought and would also mean losing the argument. Lets face it. Pladecalvo is far more interested in his ideology and saving face than he is in dealing with facts. Any of those videos, especially the one where the rabbit gets the children clamoring for murder of those who draw a picture of the prophet(pbuh), are impossible to defend. They are inexcusable, like a giant turd floating in your soup.

 

The concept is the same...teaching children to hate. Jews to it with their children too.

So you don't read the threads either huh? Go to post 26 in this thread and read it ALOUD...especially the bit that says....

"I am against terrorism in all forms, whether it comes from the Palestinians, Jews, Africans, Germans, British, Spanish or anyone else that you care to mention. "

Followed by...

"Nope! I don't want to see Jews dying any more than I want to see Palestinians dying."

You know, you Zionist would cause a lot less friction here if you'd READ what is actually written rather than interpreting the post to say what you want it to say.

Again...I AM AGAINST ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM, WHETHER IT COMES FROM JEWS, PALESTINIANS, BRITISH, AMERICANS, AFRICANS, GERMANS, FRENCH, SPANISH OR WHOEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD.. (please do not suggest that I support terrorism against Italy, Sweden or any other country that I didn't mention just because I didn't specifically say that I was NOT against terrorists from those countries....which is the way that you and Obamamouth usually work. I AM AGAINST THE KILLING OF CIVILIANS EITHER BY PALESTINIANS OR JEWS. I AM AGAINST THE USE OF CHILDREN FOR PROPAGANDA PURPOSES BY BOTH PALESTINIANS AND JEWS. I SUPPORT A POLITICAL SETTLEMENT THAT IS AGREEABLE TO BOTH SIDES. I DO NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF PALESTINIAN LANDS. I DO SUPPORT THE PALESTINIAN STRUGGLE TO REGAIN WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS (to normal people, other than rabid Zionists, that means that I sympathise with their cause and not that I wish they would wipe every Israeli of the face of the Earth).

Now I don't know how much clearer I can make it for you rabid Zionists other than what I have written above. No doubt, within a post or two you will be accusing me of wanting to see children and old people massacred because...well that's just the way you seem to work...you look at a post, ignore what it ACTUALLY says and claim that it says what you WANT it to say...when it says nothing of the sort.

Including the history in post 156?