You must mean the Israeli's that are burning themselves these days ? Sure they are having so much fun.
"Regarding the rest of your post, its sounding a lot like Charlie Browns teacher. Blah blah blah blah, you are ignorant, blah blah blah blah, you dont know what you are talking about, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Facts. They are your friends. Try using them, and make your droning posts a bit more readable. No charge for the advice."
You can call me whatever you want boy but it does not change the fact that these people hide under the skirts of women and shield themselves with children.
Keep in mind you are accepting the words of a guy who thinks there is land at the North Pole as if they had merit. I won't waste time addressing your misrepresentation of what I said, though if by STFU, you mean discontinue this type of training, then perhaps you got the message. Shooting rockets from schools does not constitute Israel targeting schools. Try again. I feel it! Just the other day, when I went to Malaysia with my US passport, and my Israeli friends weren't allowed in I thought, "Damn, this American Passport is worthless!!". When I hop from country to country without applying for a visa, based only on the fact my US passport grants me an automatic 90 day visa to many if not most countries around the planet I think, "DAMN!! They are isolating us!!!!". How many places will a Palestinian passport get you? Reading. Give it a try. I don't endorse mistreatment of any kind today. What happened before I was born, I have no influence or control over. I can also not go back and relive it. If I were living on an American Indian reservation today, I suppose I would have the option to get fired up about past grievances, strap a bomb to my childs chest, and send him into a public place and detonate himself. I would also have the choice of integrating with American society. I would also have the choice of remaining on the reservation. Personal choices. Personal responsibility. The picture above says so much about the Palestinians. Oh, I look at the past, but there is a vast difference between looking at the past, and living in it. Of course they would have, but again, that would require reliving history. It simply isnt the way it played out. Is such a thing even possible? Of course you do.It is what your whole justification mantra in post after post is about, right? The whole "What would you do" line of reasoning? Citation please. Everyone in the picture above deserves what they get, except the child. The death of the child is the responsibility of a whole bunch more people we don't see in that picture, but who are unquestionably Palestinian. So now you speak for me? By the way, thanks for the contradiction. Just a sentence prior, you said you would never justify the targeting of civilians and killing of children, and here, you own up to the fact that you would happily engage in such activities. You were probably one of those A-Holes dancing around in celebration on 9-11. Right. They fought until the battle was won or lost. Look at the picture. Your battle is never over, because you perpetuate it from generation to generation. Solar Products, I am stunned. Literally. You have actually linked something worth reading and I am beside myself. I want to say something positive here, because if you were to actually read, and not just material related to Palestine, you might actually evolve. Regarding the material, it seems obvious that there were large factions that didn't want the partition, yet they accepted the partition, unlike the Palestinians. The facts of the matter remain the same. Not the brightest people, are they. Tempted to take back my earlier comment, because this statement is so idiotic. The Palestinians didn't want to share, so they didn't agree to the UN resolution and lost the land anyway. Apparently the problem isn't reading, or even comprehension. Its basic logic and reasoning skills. I think you need to read that book again. Chomsky puts in no uncertain terms what the rest of the world already knows. The State of Israel is a fact. It will not let itself be erased, either by military force, or by flooding its population with people who will dissolve it's statehood by Democratic means. Hmm. Wonder what options that leaves you?
They accepted it, but this was only tactical. The plan was to take the remainder of Palestine at a later date. Knowing this, the Palestinians decided not to share THEIR land with the European Jews. Why should they agree that their land be partitioned ? Because the Jews need a homeland ? LOLROFLLMAO ... Jew from Europe: Hey, I need a homeland, give me some of your land. Palestinian: I don't want to share my land with you. Jew from Europe: Well, then I'm going to steal it from you. --- LOL
I don't need to take his word for it. I can see that you are simply by reading your posts. How many times have you implied that they should forget the past, accept the present and move on? As for misrepresenting you...there is no need. Your words are there for all to see. Just proves that you didn't bother to read that list of proven Israeli acts of terrorism that I posted doesn't it? You will! Thinking. Give it a try. LOL! It is a question of whether or not an event in the past was justified and supporting it in the present if it was not. Not in your world no. Fortunately, most of the world don't think like you. I have challenged you to present a post of mine where I have advocated the killing of women and children. You cannot do so. "At some point, people need to start accepting their fate is directly linked with their own behavior." Post 26. "While I don't endorse the treatment given Native Americans, I'll say this. If they were bombing women, children, and the elderly, out of hate from age old grievances, I wouldn't give a good god damn what had been done to them in the past. I would fully support any measure of force in dealing with the misbehavior of the present." For that read...I support Israeli atrocities against women and children. Including Israel? Yes I do..because I KNOW that if someone took your home, your land and destroyed everything you had, you would fight them with every means at your disposal and if you are going to tell me that you would stand amongst the rubble of your home, looking at the dead bodies of your wife and children and just shrug your shoulders, accept your lot and move on...as you suggest the Palestinians do, I will call you a liar. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am referring to fighting back to protect my home and family...just like you would. Your feeble attempts to misrepresent what your opponent said are so transparent. Give it up, you'll only embarrass yourself. Right...and the Palestinians battle is not lost. They will fight on and I and the rest of the world (bar the USA) will be behind their struggle against Israeli injustice. Get used to it.
...and the Israelis would NEVER target women and children would they??? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/03/gaza-diary-israel http://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-...ab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616 http://news.sky.com/story/678761/israeli-army-t-shirts-mock-gaza-killings http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3761371,00.html http://persia1.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/isreal-killing-children-in-gaza-photos-18/ http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/ http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11859
No...but I will confess to having had a smile on my face as you whined like schoolgirls about being 'victims'. I thought... 'now they know how we British feel after having suffered decades of USA sponsored terrorism from the IRA.' Then it turned around and bit ya on the arse....and you cried like babies!! LOL!
@pladecalvo: I don't waste my time responding to factless nonsense like "You Will!" or "Fortunately, most of the world don't think like you". It provides no evidence, and has no support, it is just you pumping up your chest to feel a bit better. In that spirit, I hope it did. You did, however, provide a chuckle or two that I'll highlight. Not as long as you can crank out enough children and strap bombs to their bodies, nope. Carry on! LoL. And you wonder why you have a hard time following an argument. Looking at the picture, I didn't see Israel... did you? LoL LMAO. Now you speak for the entire world(bar the USA). Don't know what to say. Megalomania? And then you wrap it up with the piece de resistance. Oh the irony.
This is worthy of a Letterman's top 10, but I'll give you a few. 1) Because it wasn't their land but rather part of the British Empire 2) Because disagreement with the UN resolution would lead to an armed conflict they would lose 3) Because losing the armed conflict would wind up with partitioned land anyway, and a whole bunch of dead Arabs and bad blood 4) Because 64 years later, after getting their ass kicked time and again, they would be begging to just get the square deal that was originally offered in 1948? So many reasons, I'm sure you understand none of them. Carry on! Yah, that is what I thought. That attitude, common among the Palestinians, is one of the big reasons it is hard to gin up sympathy for them. Round em up, hand em an AK-47, and send em to Somalia, and call the newly vacated land Israel. Given your attitude, its probably the fastest path to lasting peace.
The British were going to withdraw without giving the Jews a state.. Most land was owned by Palestinians. Only 7% of historical Palestine was owned by the Jews. Why should the Palestinians give THEIR land to European Jews for free ? Because the Jews went through the holocaust ? HAHAHAHA. Why did it have to lead to an arm conflict ? Why is that when the owners of the land say "no", the Jews have to take the land by force ? LOL. There did not have to be an armed conflict if the Jews did not resort to violence. I'm beginning to understand why the Europeans never trusted the Jews. Why they dumped them in the Middle East. It's a little known fact that Lord Balfour was an anti-semetic Jew hater who saw the Jews as a "problem" .. and so plotted to get rid of them. Till this day the ISraeli's think Britain did them a favor, when in reality Britain sold them to the wolves. They are asking for 2 states. A Palestinian state. And another Palestinian state. 2 states.
Time goes one, land changes hands. The Palestinians are the only group who clings to a moment in history and declares that it is that time that must be restored. Well too fucking bad. Every group in the world could play that game and demand a return to the way things were in some historical time. Why go back to 1948 or 1967? Why not to Biblical times or some other time in history? It is all bullshit that the Palestinians want to point to a date when they had more and say this is how it should be. The world is as it is today. That is just a fact. The fact is that the only reason the Palestinians are still fighting is that every other place they have tried to live, with the exception of the United States, has kept them as poor refugees and pawns of the `Muslim hatred of Jews and all that bullshit. In Jordan, they are treated like shit. In Egypt they are treated like shit. In Kuwait they have been kicked out en masse. In the United States the have been treated as we treat everyone and welcome to prosper. The Palestinians need to realize that it is 2012 and that Israel is not going back to pretend nothing has happened over the last 60+ years. The rest of the world, as we have seen for the last 60+ years is not going to do a god damn thing about it either. Israel is a nation that can now defend itself and I think it is becoming more clear that any 'negotiation' is just a farce that gives the Palestinians and their friends a stronger position from which to launch the war they all seem to desire with Israel. Fuck 'em. I think after the next war the Israelis should not be so generous and give back lands just to be attacked from them again.
Well first of all Israel never existed before 1948. LOL. The bible is a book of fairy tales, it's not a book of history. You retard. Fact is that most land was owned by Palestinians in 1948. The Jews stole Palestinian land. That's how this conflict started. Palestinians still exist. Still resisting. Still fighting for their rights. Deal with it.
I guess that clears up any remaining doubt as to whether or not you are a Muslim. So you acknowledge the land was not Palestinian, but in fact British. Good, that is a good starting point.Perhaps it would be useful for you to understand the etymology of the word Real Estate. Needless to say, the etymology of the term remains accurate to this day. If you have any doubts of that, try not paying your property taxes(though I doubt you posess any real estate). The British, at that point, could give it to anyone they pleased. With the help of the UN, Israel was born, and Palestine would have been as well, except for the nature of the people who lived there. Because the Palestinians attacked them? Because they were as anti-Semitic as you are? Because they wanted to collect Jizya and set the rules for the entire region? Because they were trespassing on land owned by the Jews? Pick your reason. Let me take another opportunity to thank you for your clear representation of Palestinian views. So many namby pamby liberals in the US constantly try and classify the Palestinians as these peaceful and oppressed people who just want to make their way in life without the oppressive state of Israel constantly harassing them. Your representation of Palestinian vies make it pretty clear there is no desire for peace or a two state solution coming from the Palestinian camp.
Me thinks thou doest protest too much. I don't rely on the bible for anything - I don't even believe in the bible. I was referring to a time in history. Sorry, for you I should have said 2000-1500 BC or 10 BC or 10 AD or any other random date. Maybe that helps. How much land did the Palestinians own back in 1500 BC? You seem to miss the whole point anyway. Of course, it matters not one bit whether you ever get it or agree or whatever. Go ahead and hate Jews and Israel all you want. The hate is what devours you and the Palestinians and keeps them from being productive world citizens. Israel exists today. Suck on that.
Britain had a mandate that was going to expire. The land had owners, need I show you the map again ? They could. But the officially decided to withdraw from Palestine. WITHOUT creating Israel. Not with the help of the UN. How many times must I repeat this ? The UN made a non-binding resolution, RECOMMENDING that Palestine be partitioned. The Palestinians did not want Palestine to be partitioned. Do you understand the difference between general assembly resolutions and security council resolutions ? After the British left, the Jews should have stayed on the small amount of land they purchased from Palestinians and live their lives, but no, they have to take up arms and steal land they never owned. Erm no they did not attack them because they were "Jews" .. they attacked them because they (Jews) wanted to steal their land. There will be peace when Palestinians have a state in the West Bank and Gaza. And a Palestinian state in Israel.
No, that is precisely the opposite of what I am saying. (why am I not surprised) I am saying that the people who are on land now are the ones who are going to have the greatest right to it. Not some group at some point in history, or the first group to ever live there, for if we did that then all over the globe the people currently living in most lands would be displaced by some other random group who claimed earlier rights to it. It just does not make practical sense anywhere. Not to mention there are various points in history. Germany would love to have one point, England another, Spain another, Palestinians another, Native Americans another, Japanese another, Italians another, Romans another, Norwegians another..... it could go on and on. But civilized people do not seek to undo today and try to live in the past. That is the precise reason I would not advocate that Palestinians just be told to move to Jordan. They are already living in the West Bank and Gaza and should have the right to stay there in places they already live. The would already have a state in those places except that is not what they want, what they want is to take the lands where Israelis live and where they have made a state. The fight has never been over Gaza or the West Bank, it has always been over Israel itself. So, the fight is for Israel and now it is in the hands of the Israelis where it will stay.