United States Heading towards a Depression?

Right. So two comments on that:

1) Americans, poor, middle class, and rich, are pretty fat, so I shudder to think of how much the average person in this country eats, or why would subsidize that.
2) It really puts gworld's lunacy into perspective, when he quotes from websites doing hunger outreach in America. Poor people who are grossly obese are going to be hungry when only supplied enough food stamps to buy the quantity of food your average overweight american buys, and rightly so.

 

I was thinking "average" more along the lines of this chart. Here's more about the SNAP program.

 

I think food stamps are an excellent idea compared to being given money like here. Job seekers is £45/week, which isn't much at all I know, but there's no guarantee they're not just spending it on booze, cigs and other drugs.

 

Jesus. Not too hard to be overweight according to those charts.

Awesome. Here is more:

http://coverageforall.org/pdf/FHCE_FedPovertyLevel.pdf

Very important to know what the feds call poverty, as the CalFresh program points out, many who qualify don't even know they qualify.


I hate to sound like a criminal, but looking at those charts and those rules, there are SOOOOO many ways to work that program into perpetuity. Looks like the best and easiest call would be to have a shrink declare some member of your family "disabled" from stress. Only costs about $100 for something that pays for a very long time. Sucks that the vultures feed off of programs meant to benefit everyone. I suppose its one of the big reasons these types of programs did much better when administered at the community level.

 

A disabled person in the household doesn't qualify an applicant for food stamps. It would just enable the applicant to have a higher amount of assets.

To qualify you would still need to meet the gross and net income requirements. If they correctly find those numbers were falsified, the applicant would be charged with food stamp fraud. Under that circumstance, the best scenario the applicant can hope for, is that they'll only have to pay everything back. On the other hand, they could also be sent to prison.

 

Have you noticed that every time you post official facts, obamanation comes back with posting that all poor people are fat which he provides no proof for, except the picture of his mom?
This is the reason, it is no point to discuss anything with these people who have never studied any question and just parrot what they hear on neo-con sponsored media.

 

It seems the CalFresh program, unlike the federal program, does not take assets into account. What the family member disability status provides you, however, is the ability to collect indefinitely, as well as the ability to qualify for food stamps at 165% of FPL, or up to $65k/year of gross income.

On the topic of asset requirements, I think it is immoral to say a person has to be devoid of assets to be considered for help. The message that sends is, we only help those in a state of abject poverty, not those temporarily down on their luck.

Curious line of reasoning, considering this type of fraud is common place. Another shining example of fraud as a common and acceptable practice is California's state medical care for the indigent(MediCAL). The clinics which serve the Medical system are required by the state NOT to ask for a social security number, probably because some liberal argued that demanding a social unfairly discriminated against the poor the system was meant to help. As a result, those clinics are filled with illegal immigrants receiving free medical care on the tab of the California taxpayers.

I guess, in consideration of your earlier claim that without such benefits people would turn to crime, we are either going to have mass incarcerations for fraud , or mass incarcerations for theft and burglary. On the bright side, the law appears to be mostly unenforced against people abusing the system, so the taxpayers need not worry about prison bills, and the fraudsters need not worry about getting caught. In the event the state ever did crack down, it is fairly simple to legally turn individual income into corporate income and divest yourself of individual tax liability while at the same time benefiting from the income and collecting on every social program meant to benefit the poor. Of course if you have the skills to set up such a rouse, there are far more profitable things to do with those skills than legally defraud the state and federal government. Still, you'd be amazed at how many people for which that is good enough.

 

I think they do. Here is the requirement list. Look at the "Resources" section.

If you had 2 people in the household, you would be at 175% if you were making $26,478. - from your link
But sure, if you had a disabled person with about 7 people in the household, it looks like you would probably still just qualify for help if the total income was less than $65,000.

The main concern at most medical facilities is treating the sick. I know we don't normally ask for the SSN with AHCCCS. They already prove citizenship when acquiring the insurance. In order to qualify for AHCCCS you must have a SSN. With Medi-Cal to get full benefit insurance you must prove you're a citizen. However, it does look Medi-Cal issues a limited version for illegal immigrants:

 

LOL according to those charts I'm over-weight. I wish they'd use more accurate criteria, they're as flawed as BMI as they don't take muscle and weight-lifting into account at all.

 

Great catch, more restrictive than the federal requirement at first blush, since they refer to "resources" rather than "assets". And then, you read the fine print:

In other words, you can have a home, cars(plural)personal effects, and other non-liquid items and still get yer free food. Even better is the last half of that disclaimer. Spend the 1000k to put the rest of your assets into an irrevocable trust for your kids, something I'd have no qualms about doing today, and you are considered indigent for the purposes of the program.

Oh, I hear what you are saying, but the fact remains, you show up to the clinic, they treat you. No papers, no insurance, no identification. Homeless people don't fill out insurance forms to prove citizenship.

LoL. Same here. According to those charts, I've been overweight since I was 20.

 

Here's what it says:

This is just a small part of whether you qualify.

That's not the fact. Just because they don't ask for a SSN directly doesn't mean they don't ask for a photo ID, insurance card...etc.

Anyway, I have to go for today. It's my first day back to work since Alex's (my cats) surgery.

 

That most certainly is the fact. Aside from this being verified by someone I know and trust, think about it logically. How do they shoot down laws requiring a photo ID to vote as discriminatory against the poor and minorities who allegedly do not have photo IDs, and then require photo IDs from the poor and minorities for social services designed specifically for them? Answer: you cant.

You show up at a clinic. You fill out a form, telling them about yourself, your income, your health, and where you live. At the bottom of the form is a box to fill in your SSN. Above that box, in bold print, is the word "OPTIONAL".

You sign the form and you obtain your social services. I'm sure none of the good people who fill out that form would have any reason to lie about anything asked on the form, including citizenship status or income level.

Just like our voting booths, the whole thing runs on the honor system. It is fair treatment of the poor and racial minorities, who are all trustworthy individuals, and anyone who tells you It is our government being willfully gullible is a racist, homophobe, who wants to take away your grandmothers social security check and medical care.

[video=youtube;9-uVhhIlPk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-uVhhIlPk0[/video]

 

Woah, you lot need to seriously sort that out. Here you need a card with an ID printed on it that you get through the post, which is then taken off you just before you vote. I thought NH was cool...

I like the way one of the cameramen in the clip is English.

 

LOL. I like the FACT that Rebecca proves you wrong on every point but you still continue to make A*s of yourself and keep parroting the neo-con BS.

 

No it's really not quite like that. They do want ID. Providers are reimbursed with this program, and they want to get paid. This is a .doc file from medi-cal.ca.gov, it shows how it works, and what they're telling clinics that take this insurance. Even at the extreme, with presumptive eligibility, it would only cover pre-natal and pharmacy. And, if they don't get the final approval for Medi-Cal, DHCS won't be paying. You don't need to open it (weird Doc file), here it is:

 

That's EXACTLY what they spend it on!

 

What "businesses" were created........................?


Who is Barry Obama?

 

You don't know who Obama is? Of course you do. He used "Barry" throughout his young years when he attended American schools and universities. His real name is actually Barry Soetoro.

 

Of course, just find it odd that someone would refer to him as that. . . But whatever I guess. lol ;-)

 

Buy em a beer ?

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