GOP senate staffer would rather play destructive politics than improve the economy

In April of this year a chief staffer for GOP conservative Senator Inhofe sent an email to Oil and Gas Lobbyists in which he attacked them for taking actions that streamlines EPA oversight over natural gas drilling and particularly fracking. The process was called for.

The GOP email used this telling language and intent that puts destructive politics over actions that enhance the economy:

Fracking started to expand dramatically in 2008 to 2010 and is responsible for huge increases in natural gas production, dramatically lower natural gas prices, significant improvements in the economy, as industry and homes switch to natural gas for fuel, and is a huge boon to the economy.

Fracking, like all drilling also has acknowledged problems. It does require oversight, without which there could be tremendous environmental issues.

The entire process is relatively new...so its time for enhancements within the industry. This was accomplished via negotiations between the Obama industry and oil/gas lobbyists. Streamlined oversight has been achieved.

Its a huge bonus to the American public and economy.

Meanwhile this high ranked GOP staffer with direct access to these lobbyists expressed more interest in the politics of the situation rather than economic and political progress.

He actually stated political stalemate and political battles were preferable rather than moving the nation forward.

The GOP and the oil and gas industry are partners. Almost 90% of oil and gas funding to political parties this year have gone to GOP candidates. Its highly likely that the multitude of $10 million checks to Karl Rove's mysterious political attack group is funded by oil and gas industry millionaires and billionaires.

Still....its a shame when the Right Wing Extremists prefer political stalemate and economic destruction to moving the economy forward.

 

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Now that is much easier to read and it takes less time

 

Apocalypse:

LOL

I see you are a charter member of the club of the fact hating non reading right wing extremists.

well done.

 

Translation :

I fully agree with you

 

have a hard time with facts?

 

Nope i don't have a problem with facts . I only have problems with propaganda , I've listened to way to much when i was kid and I became allergic to bull .

You want some facts ?

Barrack is the moron that refused to sign the canadian oil pipe project
He's also all talk and no go in both the case of the Chinese rare earths and run amok outsourcing .
Barrack is the one that did such a wonderful job with stimulus that we're now looking at another possible crisis .
His social services are so great that the US fertility rate is at it's lowest ever . Shit son in a few decades you're not even gonna exist as a nation .
Also while China bitchslaps your long term allies the Phily and while Russia rants about preemptive strike your Entertainer in Chief won't stop aplogising everywhere and to everyone .
Should I mention that the US is also seen this days as a gathering of stupid fat people that only cause harm to the world ? And that not the view of the peanut gallery this is the view of the blind majority .

So let me sum up the fails : military fail , strategic fail , economic fail , cultural fail , diplomatic fail , social collapse (it's way pass fail) and communication fail . IMHO your joke of a president should be shot for high treason .

 

I'll respond to one of your so-called facts.

If anything the oil pipeline situation is a prime example of the national uber conservative extremist party aligning with an element of the oil industry to sucker punch the well being of the United States.

1. Obama simply delayed the decision on the pipeline.

2. In November 2011 the state legislature in Nebraska unanimously passed legislation to relocate the oil pipeline away from the Ogallala Aquifer. The Governor immediately signed the bill.

The vote in the state legislature was unanimous. The legislature is 2/3 republican and the Governor is Republican. The Canadian Pipeline company immediately announced it would reroute the pipeline.

3. Earlier this year the Nebraska legislature passed a new law giving it the right to approve of any route of the pipeline. The governor signed that legislation. In early May of this year TransCanada submitted a preliminary set of documents to the State Department to approve a new pipeline route. The new route has not been finalized

4. It was amazing how quickly local people who could be affected by the terrible choice of a route spoke up to defend their state, their ecology, and their economic well being if this route was chosen and either by a leak or sabotage the pipeline leaked into the aquifier, which supplies water to farms from Nebraska to Texas. A leak in the aquifier could cripple US agriculture for a long long time.

5. In a matter of days the primarily Republican legislature, the Republican governor, and the pipeline agreed to change the route. http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/15/news/economy/keystone_pipeline_move/

A matter of days!!!!!!


Meanwhile national right wing republicans blasted this issue as an attack on Obama, the dems, in every way possible. They additionally claimed it would be an incredible boon to jobs. The oil industry in general and particularly the pipeline industry hires fewer people per dollar of revenues than any other industry. The jobs claim were extraordinary exaggerations, if not outrageous lies.

If anything the incredibly rapid decisions by the predominantly Republican State of Nebraska and the Pipeline company to change the direction of the pipeline suggest more than anything that the entire political furor over the pipeline was artificially created by the national Right Wing GOP in agreement with the pipeline company.

If anything it simply reinforces the words of the email above. The national GOP and the oil industry in general are in cahoots, to gain power for the GOP, regardless of impacts in the US.

I won't bother with the remainder of your other exaggerated Extremist perspectives.

 

Because refusing a project that would reduce dependence on terror oil is against the interest of the USA Also next time when you come up with bloated sh*t about the environment and aquifers please do remember that you're talking with a geographer . I can honestly say that your arguments are just hot air . Pipe ruptures although harmful are easily contained and the damage is quickly mitigated .

Now please find some better lies you venom filled bigot

 

US Pipeline accidents and leaks in the 21st century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_Century

Very long list. Some leaks are huge. Some have been deadly

US pipeline accidents and leaks from 1890 to 1999. Far longer, larger and deadlier list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States

80,000 gallons of oil leaked from a pipeline in Louisiana this month: http://inhabitat.com/exxon-mobil-pipeline-leaks-80000-gallons-of-crude-oil-in-rural-louisiana/. 80,000 gallons this month. Very current. Very large!!!

Pipeline leak history from the company that wants to build the TransCanada Pipeline: http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...line+leaks+since+2002+data/5987526/story.html

I spend a lot of time with one of my closest friends, a long term executive in the mining industry. He has been on site in mines in the US, Africa, Southeast Asia, and throughout mines in the "Stan" nations of North Central Asia, formerly part of the Soviet Union. He was an original executive in gold mining company focusing on mining opportunities in Kazakhstan. It was crushed by the world wide recession of the last few years. He is currently an executive with a developing rare earth company. One of his sons works on Gulf oil rigs. He knows that industry inside out.

Every company in that industry must deal with ecological issues. Its a world wide concern. Its a given.

The mere fact that the pipeline company purposely designed a pipeline over the aquafier in Nebraska when their design engineers are equipped with endless data about the geography of an area is indicative that the pipeline industry and the Right Wing GOP probably conspired to build the pipeline where it was least appropriate. It was probably done to create a political issue. The issue was blasted across the US political environment.

Meanwhile The fact that in all of one week in November the Nebraska GOP dominated legislature, the Nebraska GOP governor, and the pipeline company all agreed to move the pipeline is strong evidence that the entire political issue was artificially invented by the GOP.

Supporting evidence of this systemic conspiracy is evidenced by the email between the GOP senate staffer and the oil and gas industry lobbyists referenced above.

Its very scary to see how the Right Wing GOP and the oil industry are likely acting in unison to negatively impact the well being of the US and enable the GOP to gain political control under entirely false premises.

 

Can you bullshit someone that doesn't know how to count ? Your VERY LARGE !!!! OMG APOCALYPSE !!!! oil spill barely amounts to 2000 barrels , which is about 8 truckloads . Significant ? Yes , catastrophic ? Not by a long shot .

It amuses me that you're stuck in the propaganda mentality . It affects you on such a level that you're forgetting what you're talking about . So let's make a list :

#1 Propaganda language and fear inducing attempt ? Check
#2 Desperate appeal to authority without linking that authority to an argument ? Check
#3 Attempt to disseminate conspiracy theories ? Check
#4 Making a technical issue into a political one ? Check

Your move

 

It doesn't appear that you're even reading what's posted. Look at right before "Very large!!!" > It says 80,000 gallons 2x. It was straightforward, just one example, and he included a link. Not sure why you get so upset when an American believes an oil leak in the US is a big concern, you're a Romanian...

 

First off you should read his link . It's 80 k gallons not 80k x 2 , that amounts to ~1900 barrels (according to the link) , please do the math before you talk .

And why "a Romanian" is concerned is because it's in my dam interest for the world to have a strong US . Without the US pulling it's weight the other power will expand their sphere and non of them are any good . We had Russia and the Middle East before and they both sucked as for China it'd rather shoot myself then live under communism again . So when a 2 cent bigot like Earl comes in and tries to bulls**t people propaganda style I feel that is in my best dam interest to expose his bull .

The US is falling and it's falling fast . In the past 4 years the US sphere of influence has massively reduced . I'm not concerned about a insignificant oil leak I'm concerned that Mr. Barrak will get 4 more years . Things are already critical , we as in the free world need to recover not to fall even more in the pit . Like it or not the US is the leader of the free world and a weak leaders means that the rest of us will also have to bite the bullet , not just you .

 

Let's recap, Dave said:

You pretend as if he was trying to hide something in that statement by saying,

Obviously, he's not "trying to bullshit" anyone with that. He said 80,000 gallons 2x (as in two times) in that statement. I wasn't trying to say 160,000. Sheesh. 80,000 gallons of oil is a very large leak. How is that trying to "bullshit" someone? You don't care about a "measly" 80,000 gallons of oil leak in the US, you just get mad at Americans that do. Whatever. I care.

"US pulling it's weight" > Does that mean we should be responsible for the well-being of Romanians? If I were you, I would be more concerned with Europe at this point.

No. Actually, the US has a great future. I know you enjoy saying how we will not exist in a few decades, blah, blah, blah...I think that's just a weird little fantasy you have going there. Good day.

 

His exaggeration comes from the way he relayed the information and from using gallons instead of barrels . In this type of incidents the quantity is measured in barrels , by switching to a smaller unit of measurement you get a bigger number and bigger psychological impact . This is a classic propaganda technique . The mind sees 80.000 gallons or 300.000 liters as a much larger quantity then the reality of 1900 barrels .

You're right I don't care about the spill I care more about how much cash the US funnels into terror oil . The less funds the jihadist get the safer my ass is . The less power OPEC hold the less likely that they'll receive the latest military hardware . Hardware that quickly finds it's way into the wrong hands .

Also I'm talking about the political sphere of influence not economic influence . It's just one of the many factors but it's a dam important one . Do you understand the concept and the importance of a SOI ? As for my beloved Europe we're now getting our own Barracks voted into place . France's goose is getting toasted as we speak .

Yes the North American continent might have a good future it seems that only the whites and native Americans will be exterminated in a couple of decades .

 

This thread is going off topic. The simple news was that a private email between a senior GOP senate staffer and oil and gas lobbyists simply revealed the depth of an agreement between the political GOP and the oil industry to act in tandem. The gist of the message is simply that they should always agree and they should always attack any action by Obama.

Any action by the oil and gas industry to come to agreement with the Obama administration is seen by the Political GOP as an act of betrayal.

That is an astounding revelation as to its deep fundamental impact. It became very clear at the start of the Obama administration that the goal of the GOP was simply to oppose everything he did and to attack him on every basis. Really issues or impacts didn't matter as long as the GOP could articulate attacks.

Its scary to see that the entire oil industry took a deliberate role in this political effort.

It suggests the entire Keystone Pipeline issue has been manipulated by the GOP and the oil industry to attack the current administration.

Real facts and issues don't matter to these two conspirators.

There are enormous considerations on this project that should be questioned:

1. Why was the pipeline deliberately designed over the Aquafier in Nebraska? Every natural resource industry has been under ecological concern for decades. That is a world wide situation not unique to the US.

There were many alternative routes yet the pipeline company chose one directly over the aquafier, creating a potential problem of historic proportions should there be a significant leak.

2. In a short matter of 2 weeks in November the 2/3 majority Republican legislature voted unanimously that the pipeline had to be moved, the governor signed the legislation and the pipeline company immediately agreed to relocate the pipeline.

3. Around and after that period the national GOP political forces went on a rampage threatening to tie immediate approval of the pipeline to any legislation that would help struggling and out of work Americans.

Get this...the national GOP wanted a guarantee on the pipeline...and the route was still not finalized as agreed upon by the pipeline company and the state of Nebraska in November.

4. The GOP blasted this as a jobs bill...and grossly exaggerated potential job growth...as much as 100 to 200 times the possible impact.

The pipeline company submitted original data suggesting around 5,000 part time construction jobs during the build process estimated to take 2 years. Subsequent numbers of people working on the pipeline in maintenance and repair was in the range of several hundred.

3. The GOP and its various political allies suggested up to 200,000 jobs created. An incredible incendiary fantasy.

All of that was used to paint Obama as anti oil from sources outside the middle east and anti jobs. On top of that the GOP threatened to use the issue as blackmail in supporting end of the year assistance to people out of work.

The whole thing was probably created out of a conspiracy to attack the current administration.

A. There was no reason to place the pipeline over the aquafier in the first place. Anyone with any experience in dealing with ongoing environmental issues had to have known that from the beginning of the process.

B. The jobs claims were so exaggerated as to be imbecilic.

C. The threats on the economic well being of people out of work and blackmail has become standard operating practice fo r the GOP.

And it appears the entire process has been orchestrated by an unholy alliance that simply is fueled by a drive from the GOP to regain power and has no concerns for the well being of the nation.

SCARY!!!!

 

Just to show how much bull you're posting let me say that the minimum depth of the Ogallala aquifer is 30 meters meters with average depth of 120 meters . It would take days of spillage for the oil to reach the aquifer , in fact given the nature of the Canadian sand oil it's highly probable that the oil would saturate the upper soil quickly and then pool up without further infiltration .

The only things that's scary is Barrack's stupidity and the fear-mongering propaganda that his fanboys spit .

 

More than obviously the vast vast majority of the people who live in Nebraska disagree with you. The state legislature UNANIMOUSLY voted to relocate the pipeline, following extensive first hand information, discussion and debate. The Governor almost immediately signed the legislation. The pipeline company virtually immediately agreed to relocate the pipeline.

The legislature is 2/3 Republican, the Governor is Republican and the state almost always votes Republican in Presidential elections.

Apocolypse, despite the fact you carry the US National Right Wing Political Message, despite the national Right Wing political hype, regardless that the vast majority of the voting public in Nebraska is Republican on a long term basis....they simply don't buy any of the hype from the Right Wing Political machine.

They overwhelmingly demanded the project get moved!!!

Having worked on one EIA analysis for a major project, having been exposed to the vast number of engineers with enormous experience, I'm amazed this pipeline project ever got placed in this location in the first place. I consider it virtually impossible if it was done in an honest manner. I experienced all the expertise applied to one project and also how at one point, how certain "interested parties" can impact the direction of a report from one that should be rigorously honest.

I'd bet that occurred in this case, deliberately locating the pipeline along an extraordinarily risky location to provoke a political battle. If all the documents from the EIA that resulted in this location are accessible its possible you could identify the people or person responsible for ultimately choosing this highly risky route. At the least, you could grill all the engineers and personnel responsible for choosing this route over others, and try and figure out how they chose to locate this pipeline on one of the most vital sources for water for a significant portion of the United States.

 

ScreamEarl , even if we assume that the pipeline project was done by morons what the entertainer in chief did was 100% wrong . Instead of backing up the project and insist that they need a different route he just shut it down from the sky . King Abdul of SA would be proud of Barrack .

 

Apocalypse: You have it totally wrong. Obama merely delayed the decision on the portion of the pipeline that runs through Nebraska. meanwhile he approved the portion of the pipeline that runs adjacent to existing pipelines.

So far, we've seen your statements from afar on the dangers with the pipeline location in Nebraska are at total odds with the vast majority of people who live in the state and who have demonstrated for years that they are solid Republicans, election after election. Now we see that you are totally wrong on the status of the pipeline project.

So far all we're seeing is that you are another example of the Right Wing Extremist Political Agenda Propaganda team.

completely wrong on every fact, and you slander and call everyone names. If you are hurting for work try and get a job with Rush Limbaugh. looks like you have perfect qualifications based on your comments here.

 

He effectively nullified the project at that time . If not for the companies will and for a strong industry the project could have bitten the dust permanently . His decision is costing billions and only serves to fatten OPEC's wallets more and more . If he's not capable of taking a decision fast then why did he bothered running for his job ?

Multiple personality disorder ?

After a furious campaign that we based one illogical fearmongering and scarecrow tactics the anti-Keystone activists only managed to get 60% of the people . That's weak to say the least , especially when it comes to a small place like Nebraska . Also the opinion of the people doesn't really matter in this case , it's not an ethical choice , it strategic choice that should be made based on specialist reports .

Practice what you preach will you darling ?

Thanks while I don't agree with Rush on all points I can honestly say that he's a good man .