If at all Google could employ one full time employee, Directories would be cleaner...

Valuable point. You are exactly right. This update has thrown quite a lot of dust on their face.

In my opinion they are playing their cards cleverly from a business standpoint. These days their play is completely driven by PR agencies. For instance there were too many noise about their quality of search results back in early 2011. CNN and CH got many eye balls rolling at that time. There came Panda in Mid 2011. To be honest I didn't see much of a difference in my niche or the sites I was working on. However they slapped some popular 'thin-content' sites like EzineArticles and earned Good PR (Press Release). Has it really cleaned up content farms? I would say to some extent. Still there are sites that use duplicate / spun content that even out-beat original articles. We have seen webmaster complaints time and time again.

The next era started when there were too many Press Releases around link building and search manipulation. For example, in post-Panda period there were couple of critical claims about over-optimization and link building. I would love to quote the work of David Segal of NYT. This Dirty Little Secret and Trying to Game Google on Mother's Day on NYT was talk of the hour. Not just these two, but there were too many discussions around manipulating search results through unnatural link building. Now here comes Google Penguin! SEJournal reported that this name was pulled out in the last name. Was it mere coincidence or was it just an act to get something for the Press Release folks to talk about? I am not sure. Has this update created some super-natural effect on Google Serps? No way! How can some dirty no-post site rank for competitive terms like "Make Money Online" before Google fixed it manually? There are too much of dirt right now.

To me Google being monopoly in the industry has no pressure at this point. All they would care in such a business scenario is to keep the press release folks quiet, play their cards cleverly, earn good press release and maintain their stand. If at all there is no real competition, we would see such behaviors for years together.

Of course you got a point here. This was the question that was asked to Adam Lasnik of Google when we had a chance to meet him face to face. His repeated answer was "We don't have ability to scale as much as the web have" !

I am not sure if these words were pulled out from Google's internal corporate policy book or its just his mere personal feeling, but I am sure, Google in such a non-competitive monopoly business environment will play their cards mostly by press release and not by their "real" end user satisfaction. I know this is a butterless bread to eat, but what more choice we have??

My personal learnings: Never put all your eggs on Google, coz you never know when a PR fire will kindle them to screw up all your years of hard work

 

Good learnings finally. Think ..you gave yourself a serious thought and now coming around to what I said practicality.

But the Odd is --- as many people are reading this thread.......... you didn't answer my "whys" ---don't know why?

But frankly ... I was looking for those answers.

 

Nice joke!

No, thanks. As I said in my closing statement, have decided not to waste my time

 

Did you get my point? If not just waste few more seconds and you will know who is kiddo...... Here we go... http://www.educationguideonline.net/about/

Have long-practical experiences to deal with pupils like yaa...

Soo... next time think sometime before you get bossy.

 

So much for trying to turn this into a useful conversation. sigh.

 

Not everyone are like you, you see
Have a nice rest of the day.

 

If you have read the first few posts ... there was great scope to turn this thread into a really constructive and meaningful/valuable one . But then............ it took a nasty turn and lost its purpose. Readers will judge who the culprit is.

 

I did go back through the thread. Posts 3 and 4 derailed things by getting personal.

I could rail and complain about my competitors, who in one niche accept every piece of garbage site that comes along, have hundreds more listings than I do and who have higher PR and more traffic. I could whine about the reciprocal directory and what are IMHO other lesser quality directories in my other niche that get more points on that DMOZ tool. I could attack the so called "top-tier" general directories that are littered with bad links. Or, I could continue to build my sites and work on making money.

I know the supposed 'rules' and try my best to follow them. I watch as some who break them get destroyed and others are left unmolested.

On good days, I work hard. On bad days, I turn the computer off, leave the office and try again the next day.

We've been told the business model Sam's using won't work; that such sites will inevitably lose their existing PR. And yet, he is proving that sometimes that PR can be maintained. He's not a member of the QBC. He's building a well-maintained directory. Sure, he has a few listings that have keywords in the titles - who doesn't?

Sadly, directory owners spend more time fighting with each other than working together. If the hard-working directory owners could ever look past their own noses and truly band together, the QBC crowd would slowly disappear and be made irrelevant.

I'm not innocent in participating in DP thread wars. I was just hoping this one had run its natural course and we could all move on to perhaps having a discussion. Though, I'm not sure it is anything beyond fantasy to hope that all of the folks who don't follow the 'rules' are penalized. Then again, who thought G would ever slap down Ezine?

 

No complaints at all. I was just in a jolly mood and poking a dig or ranting about the industry as a whole.. lol... not even mentioning his/her directory.

That most of us do know and try to follow..... at the same time we need to earn some for our domains and hostings isn't? For that we might sometimes need to compromise ....and I certainly answered after I reviewed this section of BOTW. They can do that so quickly as they are big player with abundance resources.

But I can't accuse someone of doing something silly when I do it myself---- can I? Things got nasty for me when he/she attacked my directory which has been a directory since inception and for over five years without a hitch.

Initially, never directly/indirectly accused him of being a QBC, just pointed out the business model that almost ruined our industry some years back. Good for him/her that its working and good for the owner/owners of those PR8/7/6 directories who has/ve been successful in maintaining high PR for such a long time against whom the OP started the thread. I see both business models and failure/success from same parlance. So, just ranting about those high PR directories is purely meaningless to me. Good luck to them too.

You brought a calmness into an otherwise meaningless squabbling ....at last good & practical senses prevail.

 

Thanks, Michelle, as you said, posts 3 to 7 derailed things, made this thread personal and made it look dirty even though the motive of the thread was entirely different.

Typically I don't get into such debate wars unless and until it makes sense. This thread's first post was not even ranting or giving a gyan to others, it was merely opened to talk about Google and their controversial act towards buying links and PR. Sadly it got personal when some one pulled the trigger and claimed my sites are BS. I obviously get angry when someone does that. Because I have honestly put hell a lot of effort and money into this. Hiring editors, training them, making them write unique descriptions for all listings, seeding the directories and expanding the categories is not an easy task. It takes too much of effort, planning and money even though when do you it as 'hobby' or part-time. I didn't even had those sites on my Signature or neither I have mentioned them anywhere. Looks like the person was spying over and was waiting for an opportunity to attack for months together! This is when it truly got personal and I had to point out their mistakes by having a so called directory with no editions whatsoever, but still they are ready to attack other 'well maintained' directories and name them as BS. Another person came from nowhere and claims that what I was doing (Aftermarket domaining) was a crap. There is no reason that anybody could bring that topic here, because it is irrelevant to the thread, discussion and to directories forum. Moreover it is none of his business.

I spent good amount of time debating and obviously I lost my nerves when people started poking personally. Later I realized that I was just talking to folks who were burning candles at both end. It was then I realized that I wasn't discussing, but merely wasting my time and started ignoring meaningless claims.

Your thoughts, as usual, were relevant and appealing to discuss which is why I started interacting here again. I like the way how you put everything together and made a meaningful end note - People should obviously care little about others' and start working on their short comings. Would love to quote a verse here: Matthew 7:5 - You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

 

See YMC

Those two boldened phrases will again ingnite it.... sigh...

The OP thinks he/she is the best ever directory editor and his/her directory is the best maintained one. All others don't even know how to edit a listing. But you.....we... been active directory editors for .....

You also know many DMOZ editors have been our colleagues here some 6/7 years....now.

Here, someone comes from no-where in the directory world with one self proclaimed 'well maintained' directory (made on a high PR re-purposed domain) and thrashes us as disqualified directory editors. Think he/she is too raw, new in this industry segment although he/she might be excellent in others. Seems he/she doesn't yet know how many active DMOZ, BOTW, Yahoo Dir editors are on payroll of Chris, Jeff and Hassan just to name a few.

I ... hope others too will soon join in the thread...really soon. While you know how nasty it gets, please let your friend know (checked his/her friend's list) on what might happen if the gang suddenly jumps in.

 

Let me, once again, finally, peel it one by one and explain you on where you and me differ in opinion. I am gonna try my level best to make you understand this - So please level the ground and listen with modest mindset.

First of all, this thread was against Google who has controversial PR / buy backlinks policy. The discussion should have been around whether they don't have resources or whether they slap only certain industries or whether they slap only part of the industry. If you see post#1 of this thread, there is no guidance or suggestions or it's not a how-to-guide.

Post#3 of this thread - When the topic of the thread was something else, you pulled my legs (In your so called jolly mood) by naming my directory and you were thinking that I am a rookie and tried to criticize. Typically I don't get into such debates unless and until there is a point to prove. I thought you would settle down with it. But you didn't stop and tried to poke me again and again in Post#5 and Post#7 even more aggressively.

After making so many public comments, obviously I thought some directory guru came aboard and looked at your signature to find nothing but no editions. In your last reply you ranted that how many years you have been in the industry, how many DMOZ editor friends you have and how you are so old when I am raw / new. Touch your heart and say that you make good editions? Tell me honestly what was the last time you did seeding, expanded your directory hierarchy or added some good unique descriptions?

Do you think that having a directory on a domain itself is a job well done? Directories thrives by content - Don't you know this? I don't care if you do good editions or not. I don't even care if you live or die tomorrow. Because it is none of my business. However I had to comment on your directories because of your un-polite behaviors in post#3, post#5 and post#7. Otherwise I have never got into a you big or I big debate

That being said, it doesn't matter how old you are. It doesn't matter how many years you have been an editor or not. All that matters is if we do our job right or wrong in our own opinion. If you do it right, you will be rewarded. If you do it wrong, you may or may not be penalized. Your opinion may differ from others which is where discussion happens and I am always open to constructive discussion. However poking the nose in other man's job and pushing him to the extent is not needed. This is a free world, you are free to tell your opinions. But selling or pushing your thoughts vigorously doesn't work. At least it doesn't work on me

Now here are some direct replies:

First off, I had to analyze your directories only after your un-polite personal attack on post3,4 and 5. Second, I have learnt a lot, spent time with experienced people in the industry and have created good policies for my own directories. This is the reason Google loves our directories and crawls our new additions in an amazing speed. I have personally consulted many pro-directory owners before developing the content policy. So, thinking that I am a rookie and trying to sell your idea (Even though it's wrong or right) wouldn't work.

The word "Well maintained directory" was awarded by YMC which is re-produced in my reply. She knows what she is talking about and I know what she is talking about. I personally don't rant myself, because I know there is quite a lot to learn.

I never attacked "all others". Please don't include you in the elite group by yourself. I had to attack you (against my normal behavior) because of you attacking my site on post#3, #5 and #7. Otherwise I mind my business. Looks like you are the opposite type !

Stop talking like this. You may be a directory owner for so many good years and all those experiences was nothing when I looked into your latest addition. And you agreed that you were not doing proper edition over PM because of your family commitment. I agree and completely understand. I dont care if you do editions or not, because I don't poke my nose you see. It is after all your attacks I had to get personal.

Once again, I never crowned my own directories. The word 'well-maintained' was used by YMC which I used it after. You have a problem here. When ever some one new gets into this space, you think as if some guru and start blasting them. As YMC said, if at all guys like you would have been even more considerable to talk what is wrong and what is right, people would respect and look after you with dignity. Similarly I have respect to many folks in the industry whom I admired for their deep thinking and helping tendency. To name a few - Dan, YMC, David from PHPLD, Bill from VMO.

BTW, who is "us" in your "thrashes us as disqualified directory editors"??

I thrased you for having an un-edited directory. That too after you thrasing me, which is unnecessary.

This explains your ability to research, just as you found my website. But let me say this, I have a good respect for YMC who is one among fellow directory owners who helped me quickly learn about directories. So don't think that her comments are inclined towards me, just because we are friends on DP. She knows what she is talking about - Its nice to see someone with balanced words and mind.

I would repeat again. It doesn't matter if you are in the industry for so long. If you do things right, you win, else you loss. However poking others and attacking other people directory when all they did was to open a thread about Google is completely BS in my opinion.

You might be 37+, you might have a decade of experience in teaching and you might have years of experience in directory editing. I respect you for that. But all those good qualities didn't reflect on your posts when you started attacking my sites when you have no business to do that. I didn't open this thread to discuss about my sites, nor I was giving some lecture, nor I was having them on my signature as endorsement. It is very unfortunately of you who is having such a good profile to behave like this. Hope even a person like you learn something out of this, at least from this modest reply for which i have spent over 30 minutes

Hope this clears everything. Won't have any more time to discuss on this subject.

Cheers,
Sam

 

OK OP
You are the best in the industry. Miracle might happen. So you are here to teach US. Great .. and thank LORD for sending you. You are so good in the industry that none of your so called unique....above average edited listings (in the latest page) .. had been indexed/cached so far. But you claim it is soooooo frequently visited and cached by Google bots like no other else!

Example... 1-4








So please stop your superiority complex which is unfounded.

Also I included we --- because except select few... almost 98.88888888888% directories allow keywords (related to the URL or URL title of-course). From my screenshots ---all can see what your legendary editors can do!....sigh...

I don't think I ever mentioned your directory before you mentioned mine. Please have a look at Post #3, Post #5, or Post #7

Does it mean anything to anybody????? I doubt it. Did I mention your directory????? I doubt it. You knew coz you had some weaknesses in your heart. Just take your hand there and you'll feel it. Thats why you got so angry... (some believe attack is the best self-defense policy)

I've been a passionate follower of the industry for so long. So, I look into it that none is passing-bye to me. : ) It happened so that when you started promoting your directory ... I used to visit the forums and just watched ... but never talk. So are most oldies doing here if you even know them ( check visitors stats and members... you will know).

It has been few weeks that....... I took it upon myself to clean up Domain Sales forums, Link Sales Forums and finally this forums of unethical practices! Now go and see if those 2 forums are far..far..far cleaner now than 2 weeks back. : )

But I don't think you would understand such complicated things as you have been the most brilliant student although still a rookie in the field ( as you told me in your PM) ... you might have been working with companies in the Fortune 500 lists and blah... blah... blah

But mate let me agree on you with something .....this is a free world....a virtual (semi-realistic though from pragmatic point of view).... you have your opinion, I have mine .... you might be brilliant in so many things, I might just be opposite ... but please don't talk on a subject that you have not so much experience.

Cheers
John

 

I have nothing more to argue with you. You took points that are only needed for counter-attack and didn't even have the courtesy to understand core part of my modest reply. That is all. Have fun cleaning the forums

 

Hahahah ... here you got me....

I read whole of your post ... but why even leave those points for me to reply?? There were sooo many points .. I could have just blasted all.....(decided against it)

Do you know something..... the more superior you think you are ... the more bad impression people will have upon me...

Actually... just hired 3 people couple of weeks back to develop/expand/link-build for my two niche directories (which I believe is where the future is, have dozens of them developed but need few more topics to cover, don't search me... you will find them only in SERPS ...page1/2/3/4 ... (too embarrassed to be listed in page 1 or 2 though, as they are just developing ) ) and one general directory (limited future). So always in the process of development....

From what you showed/told me about your stature ... in the academic and technology field .... you are in the wrong path. Directory is not your path ( of-course you have your freedom to choose which is right for ya and which is wrong) ..you should be in the league of Aaron Wall, Danny Sullivan, Loren Baker. Why waste time with me.... a non-descript ...country boy? But due to age factor ... I sincerely offer you a simple advise..... Go for the time... (Social Media for now) .... as directories are just passe (don't have the keyboard to type the proper French word! and yes been shot-term alumni of Alliance Française ) .. move forward maan... may the sky/universe be your limit.

 

Makes a lot of sense and thanks for such a kind advice. Will definitely consider this suggestion of yours. Good night

 

Good night .. and I promise you something... you'll get nothing of this unless you ask for from now on as.....I'll go on a holiday tour (just roaming around the hills, jungles and enjoy the natural beauty of greens/wild life from tomorrow onward as I told ya that this is my summer vacation ).

So.. go and get what you want..I wish you best of luck.... but please ...please think for quite a lot before attacking someone here DP in the directory forums .... as you don't know most of the oldies...... ( I can refer you certain examples of how proud we are as directory owners and how rude we can get to defend our beloved industry, you just got me... the mildest one....being a newbie yourself in the industry .. you.. never got into a debate like this with real a tough one really....but lemme assure ya ...whoever tries transgression his/her limit ... ohhh man please ask your DP friend YMC ..and you will know.... it can really..really get nasty )

You just got 1 Watt electric shock ... please don't get yourself into high voltage... lol

Cheers...
John

 

( EDIT: Clever guy/gal.... deleted his/her inciting post even before Google could crawl/index the post...............all my sayings remain meaningless as the poster deleted his/her post against which I posted this!!) But still I want people to read about this topic and get some ideas from my posts and the thread as a whole.



Maan don't lure/drive me into madness .. otherwise all your ... so called claims of brillliance... will get burst..............

How many lies would you say....

Do you mind if I publish the screenshot of your PMs for the public to see???????????? Who was the first one to send PMs????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Maan .. don't let me get into even 50 watts --or you will regret it .. lemme guarantee you that.

Or..... please publish the original (non-photoshopped PMs that I sent you coz in our industry you yet don't know there are techies who are 100% more brilliant than you ) --- yes don't get me pull my old sword.

Do you even know the history of PhpLD Script that you use in that BS directory of yours (coz it is set up on a re-purposed domain and many aged back links are irrelevant to directory industry and most are from paid links/camouflaged as advertisements... so what makes your great..'well-maintained' directory different from those high PR directories who of-course use blackhat tactics??........proof of your BS directory's so called backlinks in the screenshot below ) and all the mods/plugins that the script is now having and their histories???????????????/

The thread is just not meaningless but a BS ( those who want to know just check his/her directory's backlinks on your fav. backlink tools and compare the title/subject matter/content of the 1st post.... I like this tool) -- I don't see a single link to the directory as an entity which is given editorially... almost all directory related links are paid ads and many passing PR juice (even I buy them as he would say for traffic ...huhhh).... other links were given to Strategic Management Society/Journal (the previous role of the site)

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I can post many more of these ( he/she can also do research on mine and I invite him to do so) .. if you ask me. Still just 3 watts...

"Do What You Preach For ... Don't Try to Get Too Smart"

 

I've been saying much the same thing for a number of years now. The whole "paid link" fiasco that sunk many directories back in 2007, was brought about by Google. They created the problem years before that by introducing pagerank. It's the same reason that penguin is such a gigantic failure, because they haven't addressed the primary cause of webspam and junk links - i.e. Pagerank. Until pagerank is visibly removed, there will always be a reason that fake websites exist (not just directories, as these would be in the minority - tonnes more fake blogs out there). Why? Because people buy and sell links based on PR. They have ever since it was introduced and they will continue to do so until it no longer exists. Ignoring that fact is what makes Google's algorithm updates so ridiculously stupid, and why there is such a huge fallout in the webmaster community whenever one goes live.

Google doesn't need to hire an employee to trawl through the directory industry, they just need to stop showing pagerank. There is no need to show it. Why do people need to know that their site has a number assigned by Google? If they want to be transparent, why are they so secretive about every other thing in the algorithm. Pagerank, pure and simple, should not exist for the end user. Shouldn't know about it, shouldn't need to know about it.

The day they do that, literally millions of fake websites will lose their reason for existing; Legitimate websites won't care; Webspam will decrease; Google results will be far more relevant.

 

OMGosh....What the fcuk are you talking about? I never did anything or deleted anything as I don't have anything to hide. If you want to keep playing this around again and again, go ahead like a barking dog. I don't care. Yes, I did sent PMs' to resolve the misunderstanding, make things clear to your pea sized brain. But no use.

I know what is a genuine web directory and what's not. I know what thrives a web directory and what doesn't. I know the merits and demerits of what I am doing. I am not a fraudster. BTW Who are the fuck are you police this around? Keep all your history BS lessons to yourself, coz, I don't have godamn time to listen to your kinder-garden lessons. So, mind your business. Stop poking your nose again in some body else's matters.

I am sick of your FN complaints. May be I should try and remove this thread that are filled with your filthy meaningless complaints. Go, have a real life man. Stop s*** around here.