There are 2 points that can be noted here., Believers go to heaven, So even the priests who are child abusers goes to Heaven? The children (if they are not believers), will still go to hell
I have no interest in "disproving" something can neither be proven nor disproved. Until I'm presented with absolute, tangible proof that "god" exists, I'll continue to believe it's just an institution for those with that cannot accept that we are creatures of individual destiny and that there is no "god" entity that knows all and sees all. That is just one of most ludicrous concepts that humans have ever devised.
I understand that you feel the way you do, and I won't try to convince you of something if you don't want to hear it. I just have a simple question to ask, however. If you are right, and that there isn't a God, then you are no better off believing. But if you are wrong, and there is a God, won't you wish you would have believed when the judgement day comes?
As Christians we believe that Jesus alone saves, but we must never forget that He alone saves whomever He will: I just want to make sure that in your zeal, admirable though it be, we don't give the idea that we condemn any who do not believe... He just never gave us that heavy burden. It's not our deal.[/QUOTE] Jesus desires that all be saved. Protestants say that you only need to accept Jesus as your Saviour to be saved, but Jesus Himself said, "not by faith alone shall you be saved" and "unless you do penance". I am not condemning, just saying what I believe; not to be mean, but because I care. If I believe that hell exists, don't you think I worry that others will go there? You can say your opinion, I can say mine. It's not fair that everyone else gets to say what they want, but Christians are the only ones who are attacked, unlike true Christians who tell their beliefs; instead of rudely attacking like how many of the anti-Christians do in this forum. Who are the ones truly condemning if all they (anti-Christians) have to say are personal insults, but Christians only preach because they want others to come to Jesus for their own benefit? Hindus consider rats sacred, let them roam free in their temples, and drink out of the same bowl they do. I could've said something mean about it, but I didn't. I don't believe in such things, and I would say that is not healthy because it's not healthy or sanitary. If we let them be condemned in eternity, knowing we could have tried to save them from that, but did nothing, we have sinned. What I said, I didn't make up, it's from the Bible that hell exists, etc. It is just a fact that those who follow satan or turn against God will not be saved and go to heaven because He gave us free will to choose, but asked us to spread His word in hopes that others may believe and choose to follow Him instead of satan whom has many faces, shapes, and deceptive ways. Only He saves, but He taught the disciples so they could go out and preach to others in hopes that they woud believe and be saved; to bring them to Him. It IS our burden- Love your neighbor as yourself.
They are not true believers. If they were, they would not have done that. Children do not go to hell. Matthew 10:14 "...It is to just such as these (children) that the kingdom of heaven belongs."
First off, Lily, I guess I should have told you that I am a Christian. That I was not attacking you. And that, inf act I am an evangelist. I preach the Word of God to the insane, the addicted, the lost, the broken, the homeless. I never said you could not say your opinion, did I? did you get that feeling from my post? If so I didn't mean to. What I meant came directly from the Word of God: Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. We are the elect, dear Lily, not the elite. That's all I was trying to say. IN Christ
Jesus was just a Rabbi (remember, he was a Jew), who happened to be a radical Rabbi and was not well liked by the establishment. He was a good teacher and he was way ahead of his time. But the "savior" he is not. He was just a man, who happened to make enough waves that his ideas caught on, stories were written and the legend lives on. I feel sorry for anyone that genuinely believes that the spirit of a dead Rabbi is somehow going to SAVE them and get them into heaven, whatever that is.
mopcanfan, you write: Well, fact is, that's a very nice story and all, but He, being Jesus, disagreed with you quite completely. See, Jesus said He was the One. The Son of Man, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. That He Himself had the power to forgive sins. So, either you think He was a complete lunatic, or you think He was who He said He was... There really is no room for speculation. If you do not believe He was God (see John 1:1) you certainly cannot consequently consider Him a "teacher." Unless, of course, you considered Him a complete nutcase of a teacher for saying things like "you are forgiven" etc... But as for being "radical", He was not, furthest thing from it - He Himself said He was there to do His father's calling ("Not mine but thy will be done"). He cannot have been just a teacher. Either He was who He Himself said HE was or He was bonkers. You may feel sorry for me all you like, but I believe HE was who He said He was.
Is GOD all knowing? If he is, he knew before he created Adam that Adam is going to go against his wishes and eat the apple. So how come we are all punished now for Adam's sins since GOD knew what Adam was going to do. Also, if GOD is all knowing and all mighty how can there be free will? He knew ahead of time what everyone is going to do. If GOD is indeed all knowing, all powerful, and creator or everything in this world, then he is also responsible for all the evils in this world, along with all the goods.
You would have to study the Bible to find out what it really teaches about Jesus. It does not state that we are going to heaven (Rev 7:9). There are a select amount going to heaven as stated in (Rev 14:1). This is the old predestination debate. It's best you read this to clarify matters: [I]Has God Decided Your Fate? MANY people are convinced that God does predetermine a person’s fate. And they feel sure that the Bible proves this to be true. For example, some may point to the case of Esau and Jacob. They were still in the womb when God foretold: “The older will serve the younger.†(Genesis 25:23) Similarly, God knew in advance that Samson, Jeremiah and John the Baptizer would perform mighty works in his service. (Judges 13:3-5; Jeremiah 1:5; Luke 1:13-17) Would this not mean that such individuals were predestinated to eternal salvation? Moreover, what about Judas Iscariot? Long before he was born, Scriptural prophecies spoke of the Messiah’s betrayal. (Psalm 41:9; 55:12, 13) The Bible even says that “from the beginning†Jesus Christ knew who would betray him.—John 6:64. In the light of the foregoing points, what would you say? Does the Bible teach that God has predestinated some to eternal salvation and others to condemnation? Has God decided your fate? Predestination—The Implications Before answering these questions, consider the implications of predestination. If this doctrine were true, it would mean that God foreknew all that would result from his creating man—the deflection of Adam and Eve, the wars, the crime, the immorality, the oppression, the lying, the hypocrisy, the disease. By speaking the words, “Let us make man,†then, God deliberately would have been setting all this wickedness in motion! (Genesis 1:26) God’s placing before Adam and Eve the prospect of everlasting life would, therefore, have been a sham. So would the Bible’s invitation, “Let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.â€â€”Revelation 22:17. But the Bible says that Jehovah is a God “abundant in loving-kindness and truth.†(Exodus 34:6) He would never offer something he knew that it was impossible for one to obtain. Jesus Christ asked: “Who is the man among you whom his son asks for bread—he will not hand him a stone, will he? . . . Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him?†(Matthew 7:9-11) Furthermore, if God long ago foreordained precisely who would gain eternal salvation and who would be eternally destroyed, why does the Bible say that “Jehovah . . . is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentanceâ€?—2 Peter 3:9. Predestination, therefore, runs counter to what the Bible actually teaches about God. ‘But would not limiting God’s knowledge of the future undermine his almightiness?’ you might ask. Not at all. At Titus 1:2, for example, we learn that “God . . . cannot lie.†But does this undermine God’s almightiness? No, rather, it highlights God’s truthfulness. The apostle Paul counseled Christians endowed with the gift of prophecy: “Gifts of the spirit of the prophets are to be controlled by the prophets. For God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace.†(1 Corinthians 14:32, 33) Such prophets would not speak out indiscriminately but would share their prophetic messages in an orderly way. To do this, self-control was needed. Certainly, then, God is also able to use his foreknowledge selectively, using it only when there is a reason or a purpose for doing so.—Compare Genesis 22:1, 12. God’s Foreknowledge Just 40 years after the organizing of the Israelites as a nation, God foretold that they would break his covenant with them. Nevertheless, this foreknowledge was not without basis, as national insubordination and rebellion already had occurred. Hence, God said: “For I well know their inclination that they are developing today before I bring them into the land about which I have sworn.†(Deuteronomy 31:20, 21) Just as a competent builder might predict the collapse of a structure built with inferior materials, so Jehovah could see the direction in which the nation was heading. Individuals, however, could and did respond to and thus benefit from counsel given by God’s prophets.—Jeremiah 21:8, 9; Ezekiel 33:1-20. Jesus Christ likewise foretold doom for the religious leaders known as scribes and Pharisees. (Matthew 23:15, 33) Nevertheless, this did not mean that each and every Pharisee or scribe was headed for Gehenna. The apostle Paul himself was formerly a zealous Pharisee!—Acts 26:4, 5. True, God did predict the course of certain individuals, such as Jacob and Esau. But this was not predestination. In the case of Esau and Jacob, God simply foreknew which of the national groups descending from them would gain dominance over the other. (Genesis 25:23-26) However, there is no indication that God had fixed their eternal destinies. Much of a child’s general disposition and temperament appear to be shaped by genetic factors. Jehovah may have considered the genetic makeup of unborn Esau and Jacob in determining which son would dominate.—Compare Psalm 139:14-16. Similarly, Jehovah used his foreknowledge regarding Samson, Jeremiah and John the Baptizer. This foreknowledge, however, did not guarantee that they would remain faithful until death. God also foretold that one of David’s sons would be named Solomon and that Solomon would be used to build the temple. (1 Chronicles 22:9, 10) Solomon, nevertheless, fell into apostasy in his later years.—1 Kings 11:4, 9-13. But what of Judas Iscariot? Was not the traitorous course of one of Jesus’ disciples clearly prophesied in advance? Yes, but the prophecies did not specify which disciple would be the betrayer. Indeed, what if Jesus had known that Judas would be the betrayer? Then Jesus’ appointing Judas as an apostle would have made Him a “sharer†in that betrayer’s sins. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22.) God himself would also be an accomplice, since Jesus preceded his selection of Judas with fervent prayer to Jehovah.—Luke 6:12-16. Nevertheless, Jehovah was ‘not ignorant of Satan’s designs.’ (Compare 2 Corinthians 2:11.) He knew that Satan the Devil had previously used a man’s close friend as a betrayer, as he had done in the case of David’s friend Ahithophel. Therefore, it was Satan, not God, who “put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray†Jesus Christ. (John 13:2; 2 Samuel 15:31) Rather than resisting satanic influence, Judas allowed sin to gain the mastery over him. And at some point Jesus was able to read Judas’ heart and therefore foretell his betrayal. (John 13:10, 11) Thus Jesus knew of Judas’ betrayal “from the beginningâ€â€”not of his acquaintance with Judas, but from the “beginning†of that one’s acting treacherously.—John 6:64. Foreordained by God God’s exercise of foreknowledge is, therefore, never due to some whim. The apostle Paul told fellow anointed Christians: “We were foreordained according to the purpose of him [Jehovah God] who operates all things according to the way his will counsels.†(Ephesians 1:11) Since man’s fall into sin, it has been God’s purpose to vindicate His name by means of His Kingdom. To that end, God has at times used his ability to foresee the future. For instance, he foreordained that there would be a class of joint heirs with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom, although individuals must prove faithful to be part of it.—2 Peter 1:10, 11. Knowing the Bible’s clear teaching on this matter can help you to have a healthy view of the future. God does not predetermine your fate. Instead, you can exercise the free will that Jehovah God has given to creatures made “in his image.†(Genesis 1:27) You can make the wise choice and wholeheartedly respond to Jehovah God’s offer of everlasting life.—John 17:3.[/I]
This is the most ignorant statement in the whole thread. How did communism kill 120 million? Are you talking Mao, Stalin, Lenin? Besides the fact you presented no facts just a statement. You say communism killed people but look around you Cyrus255 The USA is killing tons of innocent people in IRAQ, and thousands more die in ghettos everyday due to the poor ideology of capitalism. You think that is much better than what communism did? Ignorance is bliss I assume.
I will simply answer to question relating this communism and USA This my statements There were two ...... runnning around the world with one communism and another capitalism speaking their idealogy was the best buit they did not know neither of them, were best also they did not know Industrialism is the best
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Well, Stalin was a very great badmitton player. And I never thought he got the credit he deserves for this. On the other hand, on record, he whacked about twenty million, give or take a couple...
Matthew 18:14 "...it is NO part of your heavenly Father's plan that a single one shall ever come to grief (hell)." God saves if someone WANTS Him to save them (be in their lives until the end). He warns, but lets those who don't want to be with Him, be free to choose. Those who don't want Him to save them, will not be saved because THEY do not want it; don't want to be with Him. What you quoted from the Bible does not mean that He wants only some to go to heaven, it means that those who will be saved, He will save, but those who do not want to be with Him, He will not (force them to change) save, but it is by their own decision. If God did not desire that all be saved, except some, He wouldn't have died on the cross so that sins may be forgiven. I don't like arguing and some people have just gotten mean in this forum. I could say so much more, but the hearts and minds of those who do not want to hear will remain closed, and by their own choice, to own demise. Luke 16:31 "...they will not be convinced even if one should rise from the dead." The subject has changed anyway. Bye