And more evidence for my theory about adsense! The urban legend is solved.

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by Laceygirl, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. #1
    As many of you know I have many theories about google and not many believe me. One of the big ones is google selling keyword phrases to corporations like itunes, etc.
    Anyway, I'm not here to talk about that one. I want to discuss yesterday discovery that I have found.

    Theory details(what's this about):
    I believe that google adsense earnings are determined mainly on what classification adsense puts you in. Not your traffic, niche, etc. If you are proved worthy than you are granted into a higher level. Its a little hard to explain but basically for unknown reasons adsense with throw you a maximum profit limit on your account. If you reach the limit it becomes almost pointless to continue on trying to earn more because traffic, quality, ranking just doesn't bring the revenue up.

    I've been getting the feeling that this has happened to me. I used to get 20,000/UV per month on my one site and now I get 50,000-90,000/UV and the difference of profit is somewhere in the range of 5% increase. This is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with my traffic. Its been steadily increasing over the years.

    Last week I moved my google search from the index to SITEWIDE. It would display on over 600 pages and you know what the increase was somewhere around 2%.

    Google has set a limit on me. No matter what I do my revenue will not increase. I've tried owning other sites, but when I get a site that earns $6 a day then magically my main site will decrease down $3 - 10 a day.
     
    Laceygirl, Mar 23, 2012 IP
  2. Jason1985

    Jason1985 Member

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    Hmmm, Im kinda worried, ive been hearing that googles been banning adsense accounts left and right. I would Flip it on flippa while I still can.
     
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  3. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    I've had an account for about 6 years now. Nothing is odd going on now. I've noticed this problem for about 3 years now. Google will not let me profit more money. I can buy some other site and it'll just decrease with my already owned sites within the $3 of my original earnings without a traffic loss.
     
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    gtk29 Member

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    This is an interesting thing to note. Then of course, the big question is how do you prove yourself to be worthy for a higher level - if the traffic and content is not doing it?
     
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    Hmmm...

    I don't know...I have seen a difference in 30,000 PV's from one day to the next
    but the income didn't increase how I thought it would or should.

    What I did notice is that the increase in PV and clicks came from other countries
    where I was getting .03 .02 and .01. So while I was getting more PV's and more
    clicks...they came from countries that didn't pay so well.

    Now had I got an increase in say the UK by 5000 US by 5000 Australia by 5000
    South Africa by 5000 Canada by 5000 and Switzerland by 5000 form one day to the
    next...then I would have made some SERIOUS money!

    But that is not how it happened for me. It was spread out across a lot of countries
    with the huge changes being in the low CPC countries :(
     
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  6. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    That's the whole problem. No one knows what they set it at.
    Region areas - Who ever lives in a city/town that has less than 30,000 people.
    Age - Anyone between 25 - 36yrs old has a +1 advantage
    Online workings - How many google products and stuff does the person use. Would a person using all of the google products have the advantage.
    etc, etc.
    Is could be anything. It could be all of the above. The google backtracking bot system is good. It can find out automatically practically anything. 5yrs ago google could've made a system where an adsense publisher who has a criminal record automatically will be thrown in some profit sandbox and this system just tags all people who meet that.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Funny stuff man.

    This is your theory of 3 years? Some site that you acknowledge does not earn what it should and now when you put the ads site wide it still barely earns. This proves Google has some arbitrary limit on you and your website's earnings. Classic.

     
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  8. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    Yes this is my theory.
    The theory is for everyone, not only myself.
    If a person have a site that gets 10,000UV per month, then have the same site that gets 60,000/UV per month all within the same region, age, etc then mathematically speaking a person should make 6 times the 10K/UV revenue. Give or take a a times 1 considering factors such as amount of advertisers, etc. If that person is earning a 3% increase then that there is a secret bar limit that this person hit obviously.
    You don't understand?
     
    Laceygirl, Mar 24, 2012 IP
  9. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #9
    I don't think they would set a limit on your account, that seems ridiculous.

    But stuff could be happening that we don't recognize or wouldn't have thought about.

    I think it's possible that there could be a correlation between rankings and earnings. Perhaps there is some type of trust ranking with adsense?

    I've noticed when sites take a dive in the rankings, the earnings per click seems to plummet as well.
     
    dcristo, Mar 24, 2012 IP
  10. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    Yes this is my theory.
    The theory is for everyone, not only myself.
    If a person have a site that gets 10,000UV per month, then have the same site that gets 60,000/UV per month all within the same region, age, etc then mathematically speaking a person should make 6 times the 10K/UV revenue. Give or take a a times 1 considering factors such as amount of advertisers, etc. If that person is earning a 3% increase then that there is a secret bar limit that this person hit obviously.
    You don't understand?
    I thought the idea was ridiculous too. I looked for odd things. Poor quality traffic or anything that could affect it. to be honest on a 5M global search keyword I've been slowly ranking up one place every month or so until I've hit within the top 5 which is where all of the traffic is coming from. There is no red flags anywhere. I'm just concerned that I can hit 200,000/UV a month and still be sitting on the same profit or a Plus $1 a day.
     
    Laceygirl, Mar 24, 2012 IP
  11. blacknet

    blacknet Active Member

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    #11
    There is definitely something in what you say, and google definitely places (what appear to the end user to be arbitrary) limits in to many of it's products.

    For example, one zone on one of my sites earned £1062.96 in november, £1063.58 in december, and £1062.58 in january. Even though ad impressions was +/- 20% over those months, revenue remained within +/- 0.1%.

    As another example, another website doubled in traffic whilst ad revenue stayed within +/- 2%.

    However, it goes much further than you may think, if you check out your webmaster tools and view the search impressions metrics you'll see the same thing - arbitrary limits where the search impressions stay at X level, likewise if you check organic from google data in analytics you'll see the same - and if you watch some days you'll get your "allocation" of search results delivered quicker than others, and your organic traffic will tail off later in the day.

    The explanation is quite simple if you think about it logically from googles point of view. They are a huge advertising company, each site / publisher / page / ad zone has it's own value, google controls the flow of the traffic around the majority of sites via it's search engine, thus they are of course going to send more traffic to the pages / sites / adzones which earn *them* the most, not the ones which earn you the most. If you happen to be lucky enough to have a combination of factors which mean google's clients will pay more for ads on your site/pages, then you'll find yourself going up the search listings and getting more traffic.

    Ultimately though, you certainly aren't caged or limited, all you need to do is think of things from google's point of view, and you can increase both traffic and earnings. I can certainly see where these invisible bars hit (some of) my own sites, but they can be lifted.

    Careful analysis of all the data google provides you from webmaster tools, adsense and google analytics makes things clear, and you can see days where your site is being "tested", more search impressions will be given, if they give you 5% more search impressions, and you get a 5%+ increase in revenue from ads, then from googles point of view the additional traffic was worth it and you'll stay at that level for a while, or increase. That's a very simplified view considering the hundreds of metrics google take in to account of course. Just be open to thinking about things more heavily.
     
    blacknet, Mar 24, 2012 IP
  12. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    BAM!! I knew there were others. The math just doesn't work. Adsense is withholding the extra earnings.
    How can you raise the bar when you don't know why the bar is. Its could be anything. It could be because I'm Canadian! It could be because I've never registered at a college, etc....There's no way to know.
     
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #13
    A sample over 3-months doesn't really insinuate anything. There are legitimate reasons why this could be happening, including advertisers paying less for clicks.

    So what if ad impressions was +/- 20% over those months, do you think there always paying a fixed price on adwords? It would fluctuate just as much especially when the holiday season comes and goes.

    Now if you compared these same months to the same period this time the last few years, I'd be much more willing to listen to what you're saying.
     
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  14. JamesColin

    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    Personally I have witnessed your theory not to be true..
    My earnings depends on the amount of ad impressions I get. And one day it can be 4x times if the traffic is 4 or more times than the previous day.
    When I had A LOT of traffic on a few sites back in 2010 for a few months, I went to earning amounts which I probably will never meet again since this kind of traffic seems VERY hard to get again, I would need to find something, but it's very hard.

    So for me I agree that there can be something which was called "smart pricing" which can lower your earnings compared to another publisher, for the same traffic and clicks.. It's not official, not explained, but that is possible that it exists.
    But even so, if you generate tons of traffic then your earnings will not be limited, at least I don't believe that, and my experience showed me otherwise.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I understand that there is something you think happening to your earnings so you just made up the concept of a "secret bar" and then say how "obvious" it is. Although you have no facts, and nothing to explain why Adsense would do this since it would limit their own earnings. Unless you are actually suggesting they just outright steal the extra money and simply don't report the clicks to you. In other words, you think they are engaged in some massive fraud.
     
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  16. Laceygirl

    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    #16
    Are you a douche in real life, or do you just troll online? I see the elaboration on "think so you made up a concept" then there is the "is that your theory for 3yrs" part.
    Did I say I had facts? No I said it was a theory and a theory with fairly valid evidence. Allow me to explain yet again!!!
    Related made up Example: A person is ranked 21st in google search for "Karate" and gets 1,000/UV per month based on his php/html designed site that was made 8 years ago. The person. The person gets 72 clicks and earns a total of $12.10.
    So at that time he's making 12.10 per 1000/UV.
    In future the guy ranks in 9th of karate and gets 7,000/UV per month on the same site and makes $14 for the 7,000/UV.

    Does that sound ODD to you?

    The guy re-designs his whole site to the point that it couldn't be reconized with the old design. It even using h3 tags as the old one didn't. All of the adsense is in different locations, different sizes heights, etc.
    The increase of revenue was less than 1% even with an increase of 30% clicks.

    Is isn't evidence of something funny going on?
     
    Laceygirl, Mar 27, 2012 IP
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    Interesting theory, but i have no doubt its coincedences and not evil google :p
     
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    Do you really think that Google which is earning millions of dollars every day will just waste time with you by stealing few bucks from your account and is watching you every day and setting some new limits for your account when you buy a new website to steal you another few more bucks and again and again?
     
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    Laceygirl Notable Member

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    That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that someone in google is manually targeting a bunch of people to make sure they do not make money. I'm talking about an automatic bot system that uses certain account information to automatically set a profit level blocker. Think of it as a system adds pressure for the increases. Instead of 100 clicks it takes 300 to get the normal payment.
    Using this automatic system for, example: All individuals who are under 20yrs old would earn google an additional million a day without increasing the overhead of the company.
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #20
    There are plenty of reasons why AdSense revenue will never scale linearly with traffic... Most notably some advertisers bid specifically for your site... and they might not want as much traffic as you can send. Also, the more ad space you have, the higher the supply (and therefore less demand... since it's a supply/demand bidding system...) Most advertisers also have daily spend caps... As more sites hit those, the tendency for ad cost will go down since there's less competition.
     
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