Obama Justice Department, hard at work reelecting Obama by fraud

Eric Holder and the Obama Justice Department has just blocked Texas from enforcing its law requiring voters show a photo ID to vote. This, just a few months after taking the same action against South Carolina.

Under the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act, certain states like South Carolina and Texas must seek approval from the Justice Department or the federal courts for changes made to state voting laws and boundaries for voting districts. Ignoring the fact that 15 other states have voter photo ID requirements as an obvious measure against fraud, including the bluest of blue states, Hawaii, the Obama admin seems to be determined to get out the fraud vote wherever it can inject it's influence.

Its no wonder that under Obama, the US has slipped to 24th place on the Corruption Perceptions Index, after Qatar, Chile, and The Bahamas. We now quite literally rank below the banana republics. Kudos to the most transparent administration in history. Nothing like using the Justice Department to perpetuate election fraud.

 

O_Nation: You are an amazing spinmeister on behalf of the Right Wing Extremists. You spin so much I'm surprised you aren't dizzy every day.

Across the nation state GOP legislators and in some cases governors are simply trying to suppress voters. They want less voters and specifically less young and less Black voters. In the November election Maine overwhelmingly turned back an earlier effort by the GOP governor to eliminate same day registration. He never found examples of fraud. He just mouthed on and on about it. People in Maine like the fact that they are making it easier for everyone to vote.

Particularly the GOP is endeavoring to make it harder and more difficult for less well off people and younger people to vote. Its nationwide.

The GOP might scream fraud 10,000 times about this issue and find one example where they go all haywire on Dems.

If you want to find a typical voter fraud issue of large and deeply sneaky efforts read about this case where a jury found a significant Republican operative Guilty of Outrageous fraud practiced on a massive scale: source

Hard to believe, huh? LOL A Right Wing Extremist massively targeting and trying to suppress Black African Americans from voting. That is major fraud.

O_Nation: If you seriously wish to find and crush voter fraud why don't you lock up all the GOP political operatives 6 weeks before an election. That will clean things up!!!

 

Earlpearl while I can appreciate your desire to turn out the illegal alien vote, why don't you explain yourself by answering the following question.


Hawaii, a deep blue state, requires a photo ID to vote. If requiring a photo ID is nothing but a ploy to suppress voters, is Hawaii engaged in voter suppression? How about the other 14 states that require a photo ID?

 

I know you are very very very big on voter fraud, O_Nation. How would you prosecute this massive horrendous example of GOP voter fraud What would you suggest as a penalty? I know you are big on waterboarding.

 

Were you planning on answering the question?

 

I am answering the question in the OP. You brought up a big attack all about voter fraud. I gave a prime example of outlandish and massive GOP voter fraud. Again, I ask...what kind of penalty do you think this guy deserves. You obviously are outraged by voter fraud. Would you sentence the guy to waterboarding? What do you think?

 

kind of funny to watch you scurry about like a cockroach when the light comes on. Answer the question and we can continue the discussion.

 

O_Nation: Are you getting upset?

Look I have no idea why Hawaii has voter registration cards. Are you happy? Why don't you study the history and report back to us. Give us a long and detailed description. We are eager to learn all about it.

Now what do you think we should do with the GOP political hack that was found guilty for rampant and outrageous voter fraud.

big trial. he went before a jury. they gave him the maximum. A jury of peers obviously thought this guy was incredibly guilty after hearing his defense and the prosecution.

You obviously are extremely upset by voter fraud. You brought it up in the OP. How should this evil person be prosecuted? You have supported waterboarding. Do you think that is appropriate??

Here is an outrageous example of blatant voter fraud. You have started a thread about how horrible it is. Come up with a way to punish this evil crime doer.

 

That would be against my religion.

Why would I be? You still haven't answered the question. I'll repeat it again.

If requiring a photo ID is nothing but a ploy to suppress voters, is Hawaii engaged in voter suppression? How about the other 14 states that require a photo ID?

This is where you get a chance to explain to everyone on this thread how Hawaii and 14 other states are not discriminating against minorities by requiring a photo ID to vote, but somehow Texas and South Carolina are discriminating by creating the exact same law.

While you are at it, you might explain how I can be forced to present a photo ID to rent a movie, use my credit card, get on an airplane, drive a car, get into a bar, or register for state school, but having the same requirement to vote is somehow discriminatory. Then again, that is asking a lot. I'd be satisfied just to hear an answer to my original question.

Bonus Question: What political figure from what party in what city coined the phrase, "Vote Early and Vote Often"?

When you figure that one out, perhaps you can figure out an equally catchy phrase for getting out the illegal immigrant vote. I'm all ears.

 

If voting is not compulsory, which I find strange in a democracy, what happens if less than 50% of the people even vote? I would think it fair to call another election immediately or call it a dictatorship instead of democracy. ie: if less than 50% are interested in the current crop, wouldn't you wipe them and get new candidates?.

 

Needs a picture....

 

lol, classic ! :-P

 

The supreme court has already addressed this before, and the law as written in Texas was very much in keeping with the courts ruling. Obamas Attorney general can try, but he cant over-rule the Supreme Court. Texas AG already filed suit against Holder. Holder's playing a bs political card... If he has a brain he knows he cant win.

 

Hey Earl how's life with two faces ? I wonder what makes you tick . Surely you must see that your extremism can be seen from the satellite . Also most civilized countries have always had the voter ID rule . The US is a rara avis and it totally lacks this type of laws part to laziness , part to some old traditions .

 

O_Nation:

You have accused the Obama administration about voter fraud. Where are all the examples??? Show them.

I presented you with an outrageous example. The person who committed the fraud and was convicted in a jury trial by his peers was a Republican. He broke laws.

You had questions about Hawaii. I said I didn't know. I asked you to find out. You have done nothing.

Show all the examples of voter fraud. Turn them up.

If you can't once again we will see an example of how the extreme Right Wing entirely fabricates false accusations.

Here is what is really occurring.

Across the nation the GOP is trying to restrict people from voting. They are doing it where ever possible. The targets are demographic. They are the older, the young and the poor.

The extreme right wing is simply trying to restrict Democracy. The GOP does not want Americans to vote.

Show us all the massive examples of voter fraud. Also once again, I ask the same question which time and again you have refused to answer.

The guy whom you have to think is a pure dirtball...the guy convicted of voter fraud in Maryland .....you recall the Republican....he was found guilty.

What punishment would you suggest? You are a big fan of waterboarding. Do you want to use it on this guy?

You obviously think voter fraud is horrible. How would you punish this criminal???

Rob, Apoc, Gr...you all seem to agree with O_Nation. If you think voter fraud is so bad how would you punish this criminal?

 

I'd suggest punishing him via whatever the sentencing guidelines are for the crime. Is it supposed to be shocking that there are assholes on either end of the political spectrum? [difference is Im not suggesting you vote for this asshole.] If the law allows this numbnuts to be hung by his thumbnails, go for it.

Then when youre done explain why it is ok for some states to require a valid ID but its a problem if Texas does it.

 

Reread the OP. If you are trying to imply that voter fraud by registering and voting in an election as somebody else never happens, i hope you appreciate how ridiculous such an assertion is, both historically speaking, and in general for a country with 13 million illegal aliens and where 50% of the registered voters actually showing up to vote is considered a good turnout.

Perhaps you have heard these words before, but I'll post them here for your edification:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."​

What that says, in essence, is that Texas, South Carolina, Hawaii, or any of the other 12 states that require photo ID to vote do not have to prove shit to you, the federal government, or the man on the moon to create such a law. There is no requirement to prove more than (x)% of the ballots cast were cast by illegal aliens, Joe Kennedy, Tom Dailey, or the thousands of union workers they bussed from district to district to vote repetitively. Remind me again where those two pioneers in the field of voter fraud came from?


So again. ANSWER THE QUESTION:

If requiring a photo ID is nothing but a ploy to suppress voters, is Hawaii engaged in voter suppression? How about the other 14 states that require a photo ID?

 

I don't really have anything against voter ID laws. I have always found it fascinating that I've never been asked for ID personally. That being said, I do read news and as I understand it, the distinction you seem to be asking about might well be answered by looking to the effect of the law in question. Analysis has shown that in Texas, this particular law would affect a group of legal voters without ID, both whites, blacks, and Hispanics. Of that group of legal voters affected by this law, a majority of them are legal Latino voters do not have ID that would allow them to vote. The analysis showed that implementing a law like this, while neutral on its face, would disproportionately affect certain minorities and thus have the effect of suppressing their vote in greater numbers than say white voters. Since Texas is under greater scrutiny for having done such things in the past, they have become a target for deeper analysis of election law changes today.

I do not know what this same analysis would show in Hawaii. I do not think anyone has done one because Hawaii is not under the same rules as states like Texas which have a history of suppressing minority votes.

You make not like it, but that that is the basis for the difference in treatment between Hawaii and Texas.

Personally, I don't like the idea of suppressing any legal voters right to vote. I also don't particularly think it is that onerous to get a State ID card of some kind although I am sure many people don't have one for whatever reason. On the other hand, there is almost no reported cases of voter fraud where people vote who are not allowed to vote. I am not sure if that is because it is rare or because of the nature of voting it would be hard to know about. I don't find myself getting to upset in either direction on this. I am having to prove that I live where I do to enroll my kid in kindergarten though. IDs, copies of bills, tax or rental docs - it is pretty damn thorough. The idea that to vote requires some proof of ID or residence does not seem out of line for what is required for most interactions with the government.

 

@BrwnTwn: That sounds like a fair analysis. Yes, requiring photo id to vote will require more of those who don't have one, be they hispanic, black,white, young, or the elderly, who tend to vote Republican.

If we are to take the analysis that says latinos are more likely to be impacted, and apply [il]logic that says the law is discriminatory because it disproportionately impacts latinos, we could apply the same logic to our criminal justice system which disproportionately incarcerates blacks.

Every point added to the California sales tax disproportionately impacts the poor, who tend to spend 100% of their disposable income. By extension, the poor tend to be disproportionately made up of minorities (Excludng asians, jews, and persians), so the sales tax must be racist and discriminatory at it's core.

In the 80s, Hawaii put in place a vehicle inspection/safety sticker program that required all vehicles to pass a state inspection to be legally registered for road use. Tropical salt air just eats through vehciles. In one year, all the poor people and their old clunkers were cleared from the road, and insurance and accident rates plummeted. Unlike the requirement for photo ID, it was going to take a lot more than the $5 for a state issued ID restore those people's ability to drive.

If the $5 to get a photo ID is really an issue, there is a simple solution. Signing the Keystone XL pipeline deal, or just a few oil exploration permits would probably send a signal to the oil futures market and lower the price of gas by $1 a gallon. Poor people could afford to purchase a photo id in the savings yeilded by purchasing just 5 gallons of gas. If they don't drive, they will still be able to quickly save the required 5$ on the food they eat, which arrives at the store by means of a vehicle fuled by gas.

 

The name ACORN comes to mind... maybe you heard of 'em.

We Will Not Be Silenced... [pssst... they're Democrats]
Here's some guys that claim some pretty massive fraud occured in the 2008 election. SOURCE

And FTR... those are Democrats accusing Obama of Chicago style politics.

And what was the thing with Obama's Justice Dept
....playing like it wasnt really voter intimidation to have black Panther's in paramilitary uniforms armed with billy clubs patrolling in front of a polling place? SOURCE

The Obama DOJ's reaction reminds me of another great moment in liberal bigotry: