US Blame Their Failure In Afghanistan On Pakistani ISI

They don't listen to us. They have all these reasons "people don't understand" why they assist these P.O.S. countries.

I wish we would do Like Randell Blythe says and stay out of shit unless it directly affects us. AND if it does, go to these countries, handle business and get out. No BS of protecting this and that. No having our troops wait until fired upon before they attack. We should go kick the crap out of anybody that messes with us and get back home. Teach mofo's a lesson...
and just like OBL, if we are hunting somebody, do what we gotta do to sneak in and take them out.
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To hell with supporting and rebuilding these countries that hate us. They don't appreciate shit. Let them rot... We should keep our tax dollars that WE worked for here.

 

At least you understand that your government is corrupted.

According to guys like Obamanation the money you spend overseas is "worth it", because it makes Israel more secure.

 

That is a bit misleading. Clinton spent 8 years downsizing our military after the cold war. Large portions of the CIA had been re purposed for economic espionage against our international competitors. Great for the economy but terrible for having the networks and assets in place on the ground in places like Pakistan to just fly in and kill someone like OBL.

For the last 10 years, we have been building those relationships and assets in back up in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and much of the middle east, but it took a very long time. Those types of assets and relationships facilitated the death of Anwar Al'Awlaki in Yemen.

On the bright side, those assets will probably remain in place long after we are out of Afghanistan and Pakistan and we can conduct the type of cost effective campaigns you are talking about.

For the record, Ron Paul opposes that type of thing.

 

corrupt is a little strong of a word.

Well that's his opinion he is entitled too.
I don't know much about Israel (don't care too) so I can't comment on that.

I won't be voting for Ron

 

Gotta take issue with this man!

Richard Clarke is on the record as saying the Bush administration didnt wanna know about al queda

 

Anyways Afghanistan has never been conquered or controlled by any foreign power since Alexander the great.
In the modern era, the brits, the russians and now the US have tried. All have failed.
These is not an opinion but an empirical fact.

 

LoL. Now there is an impartial source. What Bush did or didn't do has nothing to do with the truth of what I wrote. Clinton dismantled the post cold war CIA. Fact.

So the Taliban still rule in Afghanistan? Pretty much EVERYONE who ran Afghanistan pre-9-11 is dead. DEAD. The goal was never to rule Afghanistan. The goal was to take out those who were protecting Bin Laden, and kill Bin Laden. As far as I'm concerned, mission accomplished. We can leave Afghanistan the way we found it. A sh*t hole. And when some other asshat makes plans from Afghanistan to wreak havok on the US again, we can rinse and repeat, though more than likely, there will be CIA on the ground and Drones in the sky over Afghansistan for the forseeable future, regardless of whether Karzai holds power or not.

 

Richard Clarke worked under Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton and Bush Jnr.
So ya i think he is impartial if not republican leaning.

The Taliban will be back, gauranteed! The Pakistani's are helping them.
Yes i agree the goal was to get Bin Laden but why was he allowed to escape when it has been said that he was cornered in the Tora Bora mountains.
Why was Afghanistan sidelined for 5 years whilst Bush went into Iraq on false pretenses.

Yes, Afghanistan is a shithole but it has massive natural resources. I wouldnt be so quick to up and leave!

 

The sad fact is 1000's of American and British soldiers, the majority barely men have died in a pointless war.
The longest running war in american history i might add.

 

Anyways i think its inevitable that the Israelis will launch a sneak attack like they did against Saddam in the eighties.

 

The Israeli's have been threatening Iran like this since the 90's, it all hot air. All the Israeli's are doing now is running around like headless chickens asking the international community for help.

As for Afghanistan, its another Vietnam, another loss for the United Snakes.

 

that's right!

Sad but true. Another reason we should just nuke Pak...

 

i wouldnt go so far as to say its a vietnam.
At least there was some sort of ideological reason for taking on the viet cong.

Afghanistan just seemed to be a mess from the beginning.
Regardless of Iraq, Bush Jnr has questions to answer over the needless deaths of US soldiers in Afghanistan.

Ive always found it funny that after 10 years of war in afghanistan its still the source of nearly 75% of the worlds heroin!

 

I mean in the sense that they have lost. US has lost in Afghanistan like it lost in Vietnam.

 

i dont agree, if you remove Pakistan fromt he power girp guess who will quickly fill the void?!
Iran!!

However i did read somewhere awhile back that the Iranians did help the CIA with intel on the whereabouts of Bin Laden in 2001.
Strange.

Iran is a volatile country, they are well able to play the diplomatic game and then the next day up the anti-US and Anti-israel rhetoric.

Look what they did with Jimmy Carter. Made some fool of him over the US embassy hostages fiasco.

 

but my question is what was there to win?

 

but my question is what was there to win?

 

Stopping Taliban's insurgencies and stopping them from taking power again, this would be a win. According to the recent NATO report the Taliban will get back in power as soon as US forces leave.

They haven#t been there for almost 11 years to only kill Bin Laden, they are attempting to install a strong puppet government, this objective is doomed to fail.

 

Oops. I was thinking Wesley Clarke, not Richard Clarke. Regardless, Monday morning quarterbacking is pretty standard. FDR had plenty of intelligence telling him Pearl Harbor was coming too, according to many. One has to remember pre 9-11 thinking in regard to such things.

More Monday morning quarterbacking. Let me wrap up your thought for you. He was allowed to escape because Bush blew it/Bush helped him escape/Bush was incompetent/Bush didn't really want to catch him/Some other reason Bush sucks. That whole line of reasoning should stick about as well as blaming FDR for pearl harbor.

Afghanistan wasn't sidelined. We still bombed the living crap out of it, and ramped up a nation building effort. Riddle me this. In your opinion, if we had never gone into Iraq, would Afghanistan be any better? Would we have rounded up all the Taliban and put them in death camps? Would the Taliban leadership be any less in bed with Pakistan?

There are a million alternate endings one could theorize, but my suspicion is, unless we were committed to the type of nation building we did in Japan after WWII, Afghanistan was going to turn out to look like, well, Afghanistan when we got done. Even with a Japan style reconstruction plan, Afghanistan would probably still look like Afghanistan. You don't convert an uneducated, highly indoctrinated peasant population to a functioning independent Democracy where human rights are respected in only 10 years, or even 20. Its a generational commitment. Not the type of thing we do anymore.

Almost every nation of any size has some form of natural resources an industrialized nation might be interested in. Who cares. America is one of the most resource rich nations on the planet, and we've hardly scratched the surface. Perhaps the implication is that the green movement in America is fomenting foreign wars to allow the dirty process of harvesting resources to happen over seas? I suppose that is as good as any other conspiracy theory.

The upshot of the whole thing is, 9-11 rebuilt the US military and intelligence networks to cold war levels. In the years of war that are coming, that is as positive a thing as anything.

Why do you post 3-5 posts in a row, only minutes apart?

 

I would argue that the kinda nation building you refer to, Japan, Germany etc is not only a generation from the current system in Afghanistan but actually much longer, possibly centuries,
Afghanistan is more akin to a medieval feudal system. Allegiances are based more on tribal connections as opposed to political.
And anyways its a futile exercise as Democracy is not compatible with the Talibans extreme version of Sharia Law.

sorry if im posting so much, im a newbie here!