I think most agree that Google places a time delay on new domains. For the industry I am in that delay is one full year. Question: Does Googlebot count one year from the day you resgister a new domain name or from the date it first crawls and indexes your index or home page? Reason I ask is that for one of my domains; it was registered back on November 4th. of last year and so in that sense is one year old; but I didn't actually plug any content into the domain until about the first of December, 2005. Anyhow, my site is still only #99 for this highly competitive industry keyword phrase and I'm not sure if it is suffering from a BLOOP penalty (in this case too many backlinks to the home page and not enough to internal pages) or if it's just the aging thing hasn't reached the one year mark yet. On another note: what would be considered a good ratio for backlinks pointing to your home page compared to backlinks to your site's internal pages? Would 50-50 work? Right now, mine is at around 85% to the home page and only about 15% to the other 400 some pages.
Yes google has a huge time delay ....for some reason they found the need to start to establish trust..... something to do with pharmacy gambling spam and building 1000s of worthless links...(cough) One thing I do know is worrying about the things you are worrying about you'll likely be stuck down in the pages nobody surfs to for a while.. Try being natural its what helps me and my clients month in, month out year in, year out ......
Ah, my site is not remotely related to gambling or any of the ones you mentioned. And is not a spam site. I only do white hat SEO. My domain is a PR 5, follows the Google guidelines to the letter and is squeaky clean. It has over 400 pages of unique content. BTW, I have over the past four years ranked several webpages onto page 1 of Google; but thanks for your useless post anyhow... ...which did not btw answer my main questions. What consitutes a domain being one year old to Googlebot? And the other question was if having say roughly 85% of backlinks that people are pointing to your home/index page if that would trip a Google BLOOP filter. Can anyone answer those two questions please without making useless comments about things that don't pertain to my domain.
You are both correct. I happen to be in the pharmacy industry as well as the dating industry. You can expect to wait a year at least for any results from the first time Google spiders your site through an inbound link. For the first year you can count on indexing and de-indexing on your site. One month you will have 1000 pages indexed the next month 50. Google is impossible to count on anymore. The only way to guarantee success in Google now is to get 50 domains and host 10 on 5 different continents. Register them to 50 different names. That way when one gets de-indexed you can count on another in another continent (data center) to jump up in rankings. Its a lot of work.
Had you read I said the reason for the delay was due to those type sites...Not that Your Site Was One ,,,when I read your nic I thougt you were into sports... notice I read Google starts counting apparently from inception date in your DNS settings combined with when content starts to appear. As for your BLOOP question it doesnt matter to which page they point as its the total number of links to the domain that tripped the spam filter. Hope you can read this the right way though Im not hopeful.
I think there is an actual delay but it isn’t exactly one year. I also think you have to have an establish site not only a domain. I have a site that recently saw the numbers of visitors jump just because of Google search, the site is nearly one year old. I also noticed that Adsense is paying much more now than it use to for the same amount of clicks.
Yeah, I kind of figured it was from the time some actual content was crawled and indexed. So I have roughly another 3 to 4 weeks to wait until the one year old mark has been reached. I had another domain last year that right about at the 12 month old mark it appeared on page 1 of Google for highly competitive keywords/key phrases. The only thing I'm somewhat worried about now is that this will be the first domain of mine to be ranked on Google since the Big Daddy Update. To sem-advance, yes I am into sports in general; but this domain also has nothing to do with sports. Regarding about not being able to count on Google anymore: Google added several billion new pages to its index a few months back after Yahoo! search had done the same. From what I can tell, Google is still sorting out all those billions of pages. Alot of them will probably end up in their supplemental index. Once Google has this all sorted out; I think you will see alot more stability in their SERPS. Of course there will always be everflux; but in general I believe that *eventually* things will settle down. I can't even fathom how massive a task it is to incorporate *BILLIONS* of new Web pages into their index. I read somewhere that this process should be completed by late this fall. Right now though things are all over the place with Google. I perhaps should have mentioned that this domain of mine has multiple page 1 rankings on Yahoo! Search for key industry words and did have high page 1 rankings on the old MSN Search engine - now Live Search. It has disappeared completely from the Live Search results; but this has happened to alot of sites and so I am confident that those rankings will reappear. Anyhow, I expect this domain to rank well on Google also and once it has reached the one year old threshold, if it jumps onto page 1 I will post it here. Also, if it doesn't make page 1 I will post that also. But I have a feeling that until Google sorts out all those billions of mostly spam pages they included into what they claim to be a "quality" index; that I won't get my much deserved rankings. I say deserved, because I have worked my tail into the ground with 16 hour days for nearly a year now, so we shall see.....
To Sem Advance. IMHO, a BLOOP filter can also be tripped by having the vast majority of backlinks pointing to your home page and not very many backlinks pointing to your product pages. This would set off a red flag to a search 'Bot that this was *unnatural*. Think about it: site visitors wouldn't always place a link or bookmark just back to your Home page; but would in alot of cases link back to a specific product/internal page. Makes sense right? Of course it does. Since we aren't privy to the Google algorithim; it's impossible to know what to Googlebot would be considered a good ratio to have. It's safe to say however that having 85% of all IBL's pointing to ones home/index page probably trips a BLOOP filter in the Google algo. IMHO, something more like a 60-40 ratio or even a 50-50 ratio would be much safer and 'look' more natural to a search 'Bot and hence not trip a BLOOP filter. Anyhow, I'm starting to get more links to my internal pages. I'll report back if there seems to be a bump after the new links have 'kicked in'.
Sportsguru Good stuff just a few notes, Do not look for an exact one year mark for the site to pop could be 13 months or so. Links - You need to remember Google uses an algorithm and Database, many forget that important fact. I wrote an article a while back for seochat on how Google uses the past to help it detect when things are done artificially. There has been, and will be a collection of data how authority sites performed, came to acquire, or how they did / still do other things. I'll go with links for this example. Now if most authority sites in sports betting for example...received 100 links a month and webmaster X goes out on a link spree and pulls in 200 links a month.... it is likely there is a problem and a filter is applied. Google does not have the need to, nor should it, break this down by page as its much easier to track the URL only for these type issues. A likely formula is if 20 Sites in Category A acquired X links per month, any sites in Category A that receive over X links by percentage > 20%, apply filter. This can be offset further down in the algo due to popularity issues of a particular new site receiving lots of attention (myspace for example.) Next on the billions of pages brought into their index..yes Google realized that was a huge mistake and over loaded themselves with a millions of spammed pages, in addition to those it already was stuck with, and since that time of the my index is bigger than your battle Google has decreased the size of the index and this is seens across many categories, by de-indexing pages. Supplemental index is nothing more than pages not likely to appear for given search queries... the pages in that index are not there as any penalty or such... its just they won't offer the user anything of value compared to other pages in the forward index. Good luck on your quest but it never requires burning the candle as you have...hope you get some rest soon....
from personal experience, i'm voting for the time delay factor as I have seen this with my main site...
I doubt its anything as long as a year, i own a dating site and i was in the "sandbox" for about 3 months until I started ranking on page 3 or 4 depending on the DC and of course algo updates. You have to remember that some industries are REALLY compitetive and to get even on page 5 you need to have fresh content, good links, and a little luck.
Well, theres really no such thing as a time delay, or any Sandbox effect; IF you know how to do your SEO correctly. Stop buying woeful links from link farms and directories - they cause more trouble than good. For example, I own a site which is currently 2 weeks old. It's ranked in the top 10 in Google for the term: "Professional 2007" Time delays? I think not.
there most certainly is a sandbox effect. if you have a pre-sandbox domain you'll know this. anyway, you do not automatically come out of the sandbox after a period of time. you can be in the sandbox for years. it's possible to never come out, if the factors that make google not trust you outweigh those that trust you. on domains made after the sandbox was originally created, they are very, very picky. the easiest route is to buy an old, trusted domain. you can get away with tons more.
Hmmm do SEO correctly.....I guess you consider yourself one then eh??? Lets do some SEO work ...took me less than a minute Using KeywordDiscovery.com and your keyword term Professional 2007 Your search has returned no results. Next we turn to Google Results 1 - 10 of about 287,000 for Professional 2007 As we can all see this is not a term any SEO worth $1.09 would optimize a webpage for. It certainly is not one we would use to come to a forum and try to ridicule another member with.. As noted in your own admission You think ...NOT!!!!!!!! But that may be something you incorporate each day as you wake up and certainly before the next time you site down at the keyboard and try to ridicule another in a public forum... Sportsguru I sent you back a PM and I hope this helps.... Peace
that's not exactly a competitive term. try ranking for "home loan" or "car insurance" with a new domain. it's close to impossible. on an old site, assuming you know how to get the links, it's really, really simple.
That is quite apparent Also if you look at the google page it is returning results of the word professional not both words to see what the results are with both words located on any pages add quotes to it "professional 2007" [SIZE=-1]Results 1 - 10 of about 298,000 for "professional 2007". Learning yet or am I talking to a wall??? [/SIZE]