State of Union address puts Syria on the agenda

Slowly present day Australians are righting the very many wrongs done to aboriginals by the British invaders of their country a few hundred years ago. Many things have been achieved, many more things have been tried and been unsuccessful. But by working together hopefully one day we will get it right.

Yesterday's incident was sparked by the idiot right wing opposition leader who for a Rhodes scholar may become known as the dumbest politician ever. In the end the PM lost her shoe and a bit if dignity, no one got hurt and no charges will be laid. The aboriginal tent embassy lives on.

 

You ever notice how liberals completely abdicate responsibility for anything? Take Bobo for instance:

Right! The blame lies with the "British Invaders", not Australia's founding fathers (who would have guessed they are not one and the same).

Right! The blame lies with the right wing opposition leader, not with PM Gillard, who happily celebrates invasion day while denying sovreignty to the Aboriginals. PM Gillard was simply running in terror to show support for the opposition leader!


I have a great idea how you can fix all this. You need to replay the 200 year old invasion history, except this time, lose! Then give all the land you stole from the Aboriginals back to them, and throw yourselves on their mercy! Its only a matter of time until some Australian politician sees the genius of this idea. /Sigh. If only Kevin Rudd were still in office!

 

The British invaded and sent their criminals here in the 18th century. Australia became Australia in 1901.

The PM was grabbed by an over zealous security guard and ushered to her car. Before this happened she made sure the the idiot right wing opposition leader was also assisted.

The British stole the land, Australians are giving it back via the Native Title Tribunal. We sort of followed the good old idea of European colonisation. It goes something like:

"Native Americans lost the lands they lived and hunted on most of the time and were moved to small portions of land where their reservations were established. They lost the opportunity to hunt and follow their traditions. The lands that were set aside for them often had poor soil and yet growing their food was expected of them. The European settlers expected the Native cultures to assimilate into the European society and live lifestyles that were foreign to them.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_t..._the_us_affect_native_Americans#ixzz1kbjOrXve

 

So in 1901, the British left australia, along with the title to Aboriginal lands... how did Australia wind up with it?

LoL. So she had no reason to be concerned, only the opposition leader. LMAO.

Again, if Australian's didnt steal the land, how are they managing to give it back. Shouldn't the Aboriginals be petitioning the British?

 

No, the descendants of the British were intelligent enough to want to stay here and become known as Australians and they took ownership of everything that went before. You know like that Independence thingy the US did.

The right wing idiot politician was the target of the protestors. Security, of course will always look after the leader of their country. THE PM holds no grudges.

Australians now have ownership of all that has gone before and successive governments of all persuasions are doing their best. As I said before sometimes successful, sometimes not.

 

Right. So they took ownership of all that stolen land, and felt absolutely no obligation to give it back. I mean we are talking about roughly a hundred years to invade, murder, steal, and then declare independence. Its a bit of a stretch to say, "It was them who came before who did all the murdering and stealing, where as we just unknowingly benefited from it all.

Obviously the truth of the matter is, Australia's founding fathers were the ones doing the raping, murdering, and stealing. Australia's founding fathers also decided to keep the spoils of their activities. Had your founding fathers meant to separate themselves from that type of activity, they would have surrendered the Aboriginal land (all of Australia) back to the Aboriginals. Instead, they said loudly and proudly, "Not only are we keeping this land, we are decalaring it to be a brand new country we will run like an aparthied state."

and now you are the spokesperson for both the protesters and the PM.

Ah, now that is more like it! You have ownership of the land, and the actions that made it yours. Glad to see you man up. Now give it back to the people you stole it from!

 

That's right, just like the US took everything from Native Americans and how they treated Negroes. The past of all countries is imperfect.

BTW the concept of founding fathers is foreign to us.

The PM says she has plenty of shoes. She says shes a bit upset that the function she was attending was disrupted. She also says that she will be doing a doorstop at the Tent Embassy later today to speak with the elders. The Tent Embassy has invited the idiot right wing politician to drop in also and explain what he said. The idiot right wing politician has had a news conference where he said he was taken out of context.

Sure, as soon as the current occupiers of the US give the land back to Native Americans.

 

Never really understood the point of all these speeches. Who cares that Obama can read? I'd like him to show me that he can write-- then I will be impressed.

 

You seem to be coming around. Notice how we don't say, "The British enslaved the Negroes" or "The British took the Native American land". That was all us, just like the theft of Aboriginal land was all Australia.

Ah, frank honesty at last! PM Gillard has no more intention of creating Aboriginal sovereignty than her counterpart in the opposition. The aboriginals might as well be asking the Australian government to build them a space shuttle. Now that we have arrived at this place called honesty, I am left scratching my head trying to figure out why you think the Aboriginals are any happier with Gillard than they are with the head of the opposition. From where they stand, you, PM Gillard, and the opposition leader, are all just invaders greedily hanging onto what you stole.

Man up and take some pride in it. "We stole it, theres nothing you can do about it, so suck it up and get over it!". Hell, at least the Jews made up some portion of the original residents of Palestine, dating back into antiquity.

 

No, up until 1901 Australia was a British colony. Today's Australians are not responsible for what British colonialists did.

You are talking to someone who worked for the Australian Government Solicitor for 20 years. During that time the Mabo case was heard - that was about land rights for aborigines you may recall - a massive case run admirably out of our office. The Native Title Tribunal was established - that's about whether tribes can claim entitlement to their land you may recall. I actually wrote the software that managed the hundreds of Native Title claims that were lodged as well as the software that managed all Aboriginal Housing loans. You are also talking to someone who enthusiastically took part in the nationwide Stolen Generations marches that lead to the Kevin Rudd apology. I live the experience. I don't live in a basement.

 

Of course they are! Those colonialists didn't just leave. They became Australians. If you had no responsibility for their actions, you wouldn't be dealing with apologies at all.

Terrific! According to you, Rudd had no responsibility for the actions of the colonialists, yet he apologized anyway. No wonder he was run out of office!

Now that the Aboriginals have Rudd's apology, I'm sure they are using it to buy their land back right? Or did they just blow it at the casino. Make sure you let them know not to spend that apology all in one place, ya hear?

 

Gees it's like talking to a two year old.

This is a great place - our PM was able to say Sorry and we move on. Aborigines wept with joy, right wingers wrung their hands in grief.

I can give you my personal guarantee that many aboriginal people have done very well out of Native Title and are starting to do well out of mining rights - take that from someone who actually knows.

It's time to enjoy some time with mates - why don't you leave that basement of yours and do the same.

 

Very confusing. If the Aboriginals have moved on, why was PM Gillard running for her life as Aboriginals threatened to storm the building? Why do they seem to still want national sovreignty? It sounds like the only people that have moved on are the invaders. Maybe Kevy should have made another appology, just in case they spent the first one on drugs. You know how those abos like their drugs and liquor.

 

Yes - you are obviously easily confused. The PM was being rushed by an over zealous security bloke. No aborigines were anywhere near her at that time. They were being held back by the police, it's very plain to see on the video. She wasn't running in fear, she is one tough lady.

Can you help us out with the sovereignty issue? I couldn't find anyone today who had heard of it before.

They spent an apology on drugs?

They do? I know I like a drink and you have admitted being an associate of drug dealers. So I guess there can't be much wrong with them if they do.

 

Imagine living in Syria with it's repressive government media censorship.You would have to wonder if the rest of the world knows what you are going through.And.....do they even care?
Then you turn on CNN and hear the president of the United States talking about Syria and encouraging the eventual culmination of the uprising.It would provide an enourmous moral boost.I don't particularly think that Obama has been effective in all his endevours thus far,but I will give him credit for this.

 

Nope!

None of his or any other western leader's business. Syria is divided between people that are for the government and people against. Does that scenario sound familiar? Televisions show scenes of demonstrations and conflict but don't differentiate between who is who. Soldiers formally employed by the government are leaving and joining the opposition because that is their personal belief. Libya, Iraq proved that other nations should not interfere.

The middle east are sick of interference. The British think they can draw lines on maps and create countries and now America thinks it needs to guarantee its oil supplies.

Terrorism sucks, interference sucks big time.

 

@boblord666
Nope,interference does at times work.If it where not for interference we would still have to witness the awful injustice of apartheid in South Africa.Sanctions helped end it and let's not forget how the allies "interfered" in regards to Nazi Germany or should we not have "interfered" as to gassing Jews,maybe we should have kept our noses out of it?

 

Why does the dog wag its tail?
Because the dog is smarter than the tail.
If the tail were smarter, it would wag the dog.

 

I do understand what you are saying.But....even though dogs are highly intelligent they can get out of line and sometimes need "training".Human nature is both good and evil.We have an obligation towards one another.Is it not good to defend the weak? Would not evil take over if we simply stepped back and became a debating society instead of taking proactive stances,when clear evidence of injustice presents itself?
If you are a parent and see a small child about to walk in front of a car on the road you would pull the child back right? It's the same basic principal.As decent human beings I feel we must collectively act when we witness trajedy,misery and injustice.To do nothing would make us little better than those who commit the atrocities.

 

Any interference has to come from Syria's neighbours, the Turks, Jordanians and Saudi's should form a coalition to take back Damascus from Assad the murderer. There's no need for Americans or Europeans.