Iran kills another of it's own nuclear scientists

To start, drop the weapons LOUDLY and forget what happened yesterday. Accept that you give up a worthless piece of land to allow those people a place to call home. You now have Twitter and social networks for instant truths, not to be nobbled by the likes of News corp. The world will look on and see if Israel violates that peace knowing that it has NO reason to attack unarmed protesters.

 

Get Israel to put down what they want out of a two state solution. Get them to put it down on paper and publicize it. Start with that as a baseline. From there negotiate the best deal you can get. Then....


now this is the tricky part......


Settle. Move on. Live in peace, to the extent that is possible.


Of course I am speaking as a business man with a rational mind. Frequently I find myself in negotiations where I am not in the position of power, and I cut the best deal I can get and move on to the next order of business. I have some friends who love to fight. They will tie a piece of property in court for 20 years if it means standing on principal. By the time they get done, the attorneys have made more than they have. Me, I'd rather be productive. Make money. Lengthen my life by reducing stress(Not to mention I hate throwing money at blood sucking attorneys). What I lose on a deal today, I make back in spades on something else.

 

I'm asking to be wiped off the planet? I'm not in the middle east if that's what you think. There's no chance at the moment you're right, then again, I didn't say that now is a good time to start a war, it has to be some time in the future.

Palestinians are up for a 2 state solution, Israel is the one that needs to learn to share. Ever since these bastards arrived from Europe they have been grabbing land and expanding borders.

I didn't say this, Palestinians are happy for Israel to go back to its 1967 borders, Israel does not want to go back to 1967, and because of this I think another war will break out in the future where every inch of Israeli land will be taken as spoils of war.

No, what is smart is to accept the two state solution before the Palestinians change their mind, that's the smart thing to do. Its virtually impossible for Israel to stop its neighbours from becoming too powerful economically or militarily, its not working, it never has, never will, Israel must retreat now before its too late.

 

Why should Israel need to give up it's spoils of war? Because you threaten to make 100% of Israel spoils of some new war? If the Arabs won that war, wouldn't they be equally morally obligated to surrender their spoils of war, or were you just running on hypocrisy.

LoL. Yah, look out! Egypts economy is just rip roaring! Syria too! They soon will crush Israel economicly. Iran, now that they are free of sanctions, is going gangbusters!

Do you live in reality? What you are likely talking about is Iran's proximity to obtaining a nuclear weapon. I suppose you have to run on the assumption that Israel is just going to let that happen. Looking at why you want them to get one, you'll see most of the world cheering Israel on as they kill scientists and bomb enrichment facilities.

 

If I understand the story correctly.

Israel was given the lands via the Balfour direction...from spoils of war. It was decided as they came from there originally, now that the land was won back, that that would be the most logical place to put them.

Palestinians didn't like this...and fair enough too I guess it would have been a surprise...for the sake of pride they didn't want to be seen as losers.

Palestinian warmongers then fought against the 'occupation' by attacking Israel... Israel decided the bombs came from there so we'll blow up that area and whilst we're there we might as well take that land too.

People inside Israel decided what a great way to expand... actively encouraged the less educated Palestinians to keep firing at them so more land could be grabbed...it goes on and on like that.

I can't stand what Israel is doing to expand it's territory, especially when you see that expanding map almost swallowing what used to be Palestine, but I can understand Israel belongs there and even understand why they were put back there.

Meantime lots of people have died, lots of enemies created, but noone's going anywhere..except they're getting angrier and angrier with each other because each side is killing the people they know and love...giving more reason to keep fighting.

If Palestinians dropped their arms, put anybody who fires on Israel on trial for doing so then the world would have to agree with Palestine if Israel tries to steal more land.

 

They don't have to, but its better for them, they give back a little or all is taken from them, which one is it?

Israel is not doing anything to Syria's or Egypt's economy, don't know why you brought that up. There are however many countries that decided to put sanctions on Iran (including Arab), it will lead to regime change, which is not a bad thing, its not going to stop Iranians from being anti-Israel, just regime change.

Its not that the Arabs need new weapons or strong economy or anything, all they need is a someone like Ron Paul to become president in the US, someone like him will not defend Israel. Its not likely that Ron will become president this year, but he is getting the young votes, which is a sign that the new generation will vote for someone who's anti-war in the future.

Most of the world cheering Israel on? Maybe far right extremist groups, but not the average people, I'm in England and we don't like what Israel is doing in the middle east.

 

Sorry mate, I don't think so. Assuming that you're from the US according to your location, I don't think you know the reality outside your own country. I'm an Asian and most Asians that I've met don't like what they see what happen in Palestine/Israel. To them, Israel is a BIG bully over there over a country that couldn't defend themselves. Not to mention the human right issues when Israel built the wall surrounding the Palestine.

It make a lot sense only the problem is, do you think Israel really care about what the world think of them? I still very much remember the flotilla incident in 2010. Most countries condemned the act but up until now, still no apologies and the soldiers who are killed the people on the flotilla still haven't been punished. So, what's the guarantee that Israel won't do it again?

 

Did you read Lord Balfour's declaration? Read it:

Now you tell me where it says that there was supposed to be an Israeli state on what was known as Palestine? It doesn't say that. He even says "that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,".

Israel was created through the United Nations, and Britain abstained from voting for the Israeli state.

 

It doesn't matter if they care though, it matters that we support them. If we don't support them they're gone. Wouldn't have a hope of survival. They need the world behind them.

No guarantee but it is situations like that that alert the world to the plight of the Palestinians. Only diehard Israeli supporters think that was 'right'. It was a nail in the coffin of friendship they so dearly need. The world rightly condemned Israel for that and would drop their support if that kind of thing continued.

 

Err, doesn't that say it clearly?

 

A national home is not the same as a state or where Palestinians are kicked out and Jews move in. The intention was for Jews to go to Palestine and live there side by side with non-Jews. Conflict started sometime later and it was taken to the UN where Britain did not even vote for the Israeli state, they abstained.

 

LoL. Give us back the land we lost when we attacked you, or we'll attack you again now that we are poorer and weaker! Terrific negotiating tactic. Let me know how that works out for you.

You brought it up. You claimed Israel's neighbors would soon be richer and more powerful, when the reality is, they are sinking as fast as Israel is rising.

Not sure what Ron Paul or the youth vote has to do with Israel having the ability to deal with it's problems. Israel is more than capable of defending itself. In fact, knowing the US has it's back has kept Israel from acting unilaterally on many occassions. Someone like Paul ever takes office, and you can count on the US telling Israel's neighbors, especially Palestine, "Its none of our business" as Israel bombs the living cr*p out of them.

Fortunately for Israel's neighbors, the makeup of US foreign policy won't be changing anytime soon. The youth vote has been anti-war since the 1960s. Nothing new about that.

Just retracing this conversation, indeed the very post I am responding to, people like you make it clear in no uncertain terms that you desire to wipe Israel out. You've made that clear on many posts. The leader of Iran made it clear as well. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but threats from Islamist groups went out of vogue about a decade ago. What Israel does to protect itself is only unpopular until you compare it with the popularity of it's neighbors. You know, the ones the democratic societies of the US, the EU, are sanctioning wth popular support.

 

Well you can play semantics if you want. How can it be their home if they can't name it what they want?

You may continue to find silly excuses to continue a silly war or you can look for proper excuses to stop it..your choice...God!

 

That's why it cannot bomb Iranian nuclear sites, the US or NATO has to do it. It cant even deal with Hamas or Hezbollah let alone anyone else. The most insecure and vulnerable nation on this planet is Israel, and you making statements like that makes you look real stupid.

 

Err, if DigitalPoint owner give you the rights to own half of this forum, do you think it's fair for you to come and just change the name?

 

Its not semantics. Perhaps you have a reading disorder? It says: "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.
This declaration allowed for them to migrate there and live there, but not declare a state and especially not cause violence, terror, death and destruction.

Here is another quote from Winston Churchill that will make it more clear:
“When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance.”

Winston Churchill
British Secretary of State for the Colonies
June 1922

 

LMAO. What is a "National Home" to you then?

Its so interesting the way you tell it. Here is how Wikipedia has it:

Oh cr*p. Picked a fight because you couldn't live along side Jews.... and lost. Recurring theme here... there is more.

Damn. Four Arab nations attack Israel at once...... and lose! Recurring theme here... but wait... there is more.

Damn! 1950s, Egypt tries to shut down Israeli commerce, attacks from Gaza.... and loses not only Gaza but the canal! Recurring theme here... but wait... there is more

Damn! 1967, Israel's Arab neighbors still try to collectively destroy Israel and...... do I need to say it? Lose! Again!

Its pathetically comedic.

[Edit] The funniest part is, Mikael claims the Arabs would be happy just to cut their losses back to the 1967 numbers, something contradicted by many of his other posts. I can't help but wonder anxiously how much of the territory Israel is going to own once Iran gets the balls to attack again. Will you then be whining about going back to the 2012 borders? Hard to morn the loss of people that stupid.

 

And here comes the spin doctor with lies, lies, and more lies attempting to white wash history.

 

Yes, because Wikipedia is all lies! Only you have the truth!

 

I could edit that wikipedia article myself If I wanted to.