Iran kills another of it's own nuclear scientists

As a matter of fact they do all the time.

 

Taking that entire quote at face value(obviously there is more to it than that), what has it got to do with Iran, Jordan,Syria, Lebanon, etc.. Or were you trying to imply that getting along with the Palestinians better would somehow help Iran want to get over the desire to wipe Israel off the map?

 

It was as I stated. One example of how Israel could improve relations with its neighbours. No implication in it at all about Iran, nothing to do with other countries.

 

how many floods, hurricanes ,etc. US has each year?

The fact is, the planet is growing, population grows, and there is always will be a plan to attack someone, thats why when u got nukes, the agressor will think first.

I dont give a damn what posibilities N. Korea have, all I know is the rant between US and N. Korea is over. Tell me why, now?

"most oppressive regimes on the planet", are you planning to visit it or smth? Why on earth would you judge that regime? Its a weird regime for me also, but not to the point of sending troops there, its a personal feeling.

"You won't think N. Korean nuclear capability is so great when one of their weapons gets set off by a terrorist group in southern Russia" - this is the lamest thing I've ever heard. You dont know anything, all terrorists for you are the same, linking koreans to islamic fanatics without any background, haha. However, back some time ago those "terrorists" in south Russia were "freedom fighters" in american press, so who are they, "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" ? I guess when its convenient they can be both.

 

The history books do a much better job than I ever could. Educate yourself. 1954. That is four decades of peace until they obtained nuclear weapons. What a wonderful example of nuclear weapons bringing peace to the world.

Uh lets see, because they threaten their thriving south Korean neighbors with war? Because their leader is a megalomaniacal dictator who starve's his own people? Because they sell weapons technology to terrorist organizations? The list goes on and on. Again, educate yourself.

Yah, thats because you a) don't know the first thing about it, and b) don't make the decisions about where troops get sent, and c) don't have the GDP and tax revenue to keep a single aircraft carrier afloat. I suppose you won't be taking the G5 to Italy this weekend either. The US, on the other hand, has had troops on active duty on the South Korean border since a cease fire was declared in 1954.

Again, educate yourself. More. More.

Terrorist or freedom fighters, either way I think it's safe to say that neither you or I want them armed with Biological, Nuclear, or Chemical weapons. Even in the hay day of our support for Afghan freedom from Russian oppression, we didn't sell them nukes.

Since you bring it up, do you consider the separatist violence coming from southern Russia to be Terrorism or Freedom Fighting? Are you for them or against them? Regardless of whether you are for or against them, do you think N. Korea should sell them WMD?

 

North Korea is in a war? How about this theory from Wikipedia:

"Former South Korean Government sources, as well as some scholars and analysts, have argued that North Korea is using nuclear weapons primarily as a political tool to begin re-establishing normal relations with the U.S., Japan and South Korea, and to end the long-standing economic embargo against North Korea. They point out that the threat of nuclear weapons is the only thing that has brought the U.S., Japan and South Korea into serious negotiations."

They have been threatening each other for 60 years and they have a new leader. You have proof they sell weapons to terrorist organisations? Who defines what is a terrorist organisation.

 

@bobo: Relax man everything is ok. Have a brownie.

 

Can't help myself - you're propagating rubbish again.

 

LOL, you're not the only one thinking the same thing. I stopped reading when he replied my comments: -

My question: what's your proof that Iranian government kills their own scientists?
Obamanation: Whats your proof they didn't? Ahmadinejad's word? Please.

Still no proof. He didn't post any.

My question: When the last time Iran invade another country?
Obamanation: Iran has been attacking Israel by means of Hezbollah for more than three decades. Ahmadinejad is crapping his y-fronts, because his pals in Syria who protect Hezbollah are about to be overthrown by their own people. New sanctions on Iran are going to make it harder for him to control his own people, You and I both know it will only take one serious incident and Iran is going to look like Syria, a government in a state of civil war.

Hezbollah really? I didn't know that Hezbollah is part of Iranian military. I understand that Israel has every right to defend themselves but blaming Iran for Hezbollah actions is just pathetic.

To Obamaniation: Can Iran use the same logic to attack Israel? http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag Enjoy reading!

 

What I provided were logical reasons why Iran might kill it's own scientists. This is as much as Iran has provided to back it's claims. Until you can produce evidence to support an alternative scenario, you are just speculating while accusing me of just speculating. That is what most call hypocrisy.

What, you live in a cave? Don't answer that.

One of thousands of information sources directly linking Hezbollah to Iran. Hell, most people don't even try and deny it anymore.Not sure what your issue is.

 

OK, one thing is for sure, we can't trust the media, internet/radio/tv.

So who do we trust. Unless I am there and I see the real situation, I can't possibly pass any comments...

 

I didn't know logical reasons can be used as an evidence. Just like WMD in Iraq?

Do you really need to bash anyone who argue with your point? I thought the meaning of a forum is to have a discussion? If you don't think that you can't take the heat or you don't want people to disagree, please put the disclaimer at the beginning of the thread so that won't confuse whether they should post anything or not.

 

Not sure what you are driving at, but there was some logic used in guessing that Saddam had WMD. After all, he threw out the weapons inspectors so real evidence would be hard to come by.

Fair enough. When you post something like:

"Hezbollah really? I didn't know that Hezbollah is part of Iranian military."

that comes across as snarky to me as well, and an attempt to deny Iran's connection to the organization. I tend to meet snarky obfuscation with a snarky presentation of the facts.

 

That's just a speculation. Even the US admitted that there's no WMD in Iraq and it was false flag. If I make that kind of assumption of a country that you supported, you would bash me right? I'm quoting you, "That is what most call hypocrisy."

I didn't deny that. I believe that Hezbollah have ties with the Iranian government but it's not a strong case to say that you should invade Iran for that. If you want to fight Hezbollah, go ahead, I don't think anyone can argue about it but if you're using Hezbollah as an excuse to attack Iran, that's not acceptable. That why I gave you the link in the previous comment: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

If I'm using your logic that if Israel is allowed to attack Iran because of Hezbollah, would that also mean that Iran can attack Israel because of Jundallah?

 

So are Iran's accusations that the US and/or Israel are behind the assassination, and your linked article provides no evidence to back the Iranian claim. If anything, the article highlights how Iran might be even more motivated to exploit a sore spot in Israel-US relations by committing such an act and making such a claim.

The US admitted Iraq was a false flag operation? Would you mind linking your evidence?

That is certainly one way of looking at it. Another might be to say this thread is provides an intelligent response to idiotic claims like, "The US admitted Iraq was a false flag operation", a claim that is false at face value.

This thread is my assertion that Iran killed it's own scientist. Notice I didn't say "Iran admits to killing it's own scientists". At that point, I would have actually sunk to your level and your accusation of hypocrisy would be legitimate.

How clever. I make the point that nuclear deterrence does not prevent Iran from attacking Israel indirectly via Hezbollah, as a counter point to an argument that Iran needs nuclear arms, and you, without conceding the point, change the topic and create the straw man that I am arguing 40 years of Hezbollah attacks should be used as an excuse to invade Iran. I'll take your topic switch/straw man as you conceding the point, thank you very much. Nukes will not make Iran any safer. It will only make it more oppressive.

To your topic switch, the Hezbollah attacks may not be an excuse to attack Iran, but it's continued pursuit of nuclear weapons very well could be. If we can get China and Russia on board,a more realistic outcome would be true isolation. This would probably allow the regime change from within that is already in progress. If you look at the most recent US sanctions we put through 2 weeks ago, they grant the president the economic leverage to get China on board. Its just a matter of whether Obama has the sack to follow through.

With Russia, who knows. They have enough problems internally with their new "President for life".

One last thing. I love the link you provided. It provided insight into the thinking of US intelligence operations and made two things glaringly obvious.

1) Iran's recent claims that the US was involved with the death of the scientist are patently false.
2) Aside from Israel, obviously Iran's Arab neighbors do not find a nuclear Iran to be acceptable, as the existence of a Sunni group like Juindallah bears out.

While I don't approve of Israel working with a terror group, there is a certain humor in the idea of Sunnis and Jews working side by side to keep the Shia from getting too squirrely.

 

One question; do you think Iran should now put a team of investigators on the job to find who did it and, if a culprit is found, Iran should be able to invade the country of origin in order to track down that aggressor, authorise drone attacks, or helicopter raids using their finest of men, kill the terrorist and all of his/her bodyguards whilst not expecting any repurcussions?

 

Absolutely! Problem is, if Iran killed it's own scientist, such an investigation will never happen, or it will be a sham investigation producing sham evidence. In fact, this has already happened, as Iran has now claimed they believe the US was behind the bombing, yet every other independent analysis of the background information regarding US policy in the region would make that outcome highly unlikely.

Iran is a nation that makes a practice of murdering it's own people, silencing any political opposition, and raping it's prisoners by means of "temporary marriages" to prison guards. It is a nation that makes a regular practice of destabilizing it's neighbors via terrorist activities vis-a-vis Hezbollah in Syria and insurgents in Iraq. Hezbollah quite literally changed the government of Lebanon by assassinating all politicians who didn't tow the line.

With such a history, it is going to be hard to give credibility to the results of any Iranian investigation. In fact, if one were to buy into your premise that reciprocity is justifiable, one could easily make the case that, if these assassinations were caused by an outside nation, they were nothing more than "blow back" for Iran's well documented covert operations in the region.

Of course the idea of Iran using drones to retaliate against anyone is a bit silly, since the only drone Iran has is the one it stole from the US, and the only military victory achievable by Iran is the one it wages against it's own people. We might as well be debating the color of fairy wings.

 

Similar to the US when president Kennedy was assassinated.

Of course like in Iraq, there were WMD found.

The US is a nation that makes a practice of murdering other people, silencing any individual or group or country and raping an economy. It is a nation that makes a regular practice of destabilizing it's neighbors via invasion or sending CIA or mercenaries.

 

Actually, the fact we investigated and truthfully reported the fact we found none was embarrassing. Are you saying Iran would ever put a report to press that said, "As it turns out, we killed em"?

The US and Iran, two peas in a pod, right? I notice you didn't apply for citizenship in Iran..... why not? For that matter, why not Canada? Obviously they are tolerant. They haven't expelled Gworld[That we know of].

 

Are you still trying to be super American to compensate for the fact that most Americans still look at you as just another Chicano?