Iran kills another of it's own nuclear scientists

I can't see how building up on nukes could possibly be safer than not building them at all. Even if war is not declared what about earthquake, floods, tsunamis? Climate change will cause all kinds of problems with a shifting earth and could inadvertantly set one off where it stands.

It may take 60 coincidences for an accident to occur but the recent oil spill shows they really have no idea how to avoid accidents, nor how to fix them when it does happen. How do they know that events around us won't conspire to push the buttons for them?

 

Do you think if Iraq or Afghanistan were atomic power, USA would have attacked them?

 

The only countries that I don't trust having weapons (not just nuclear) are the US and Israel because both of them have recent history of invading other countries. When the last time Iran invade another country?

 

Israel.

I don't worry about Iranians. Its Iran's government I worry about. If Iranians were not being stepped on by their own government, they would take Ahmadinejad apart with their own hands.

Whats your proof they didn't? Ahmadinejad's word? Please.

LoL. Ok, so far, this qualifies as the lamest post of the thread. N. Korea didn't get nukes until the late 90s, yet the Korean war came to it's unsteady end decades prior. How ever did they manage decades of peace without nukes? Over the same period of time,however, they did manage to become one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet. You won't think N. Korean nuclear capability is so great when one of their weapons gets set off by a terrorist group in southern Russia. Or perhaps you would think that is just great.

Afghanistan? Yes. Iraq? They got attacked over suspicions they were seeking to become an atomic power. Going back to Afghanistan, it sounds like the type of world you are advocating for is one in which nations having little central government can become nuclear protected havens for state sponsored, as well as non-state sponsored organizations to proxy attacks against whoever they wish using the most lethal weapons at their disposal, including nukes. We must be pretty stupid for not finding that to be an acceptable state of affairs.

Iran has been attacking Israel by means of Hezbollah for more than three decades. Ahmadinejad is crapping his y-fronts, because his pals in Syria who protect Hezbollah are about to be overthrown by their own people. New sanctions on Iran are going to make it harder for him to control his own people, You and I both know it will only take one serious incident and Iran is going to look like Syria, a government in a state of civil war.

Capitalism abhors instability. Islamists crave instability. Your ideas on who should be disarmed are obviously not popular for that simple fact.

 

Israel would have been annihilated a long time ago if it wasn't for their nukes.

 

What, like in 1967? Yah the limp dicks that surround Israel sure showed Israel a lesson then, didn't they. If history is any lesson, Israel without nukes, a small fraction of the guns,ammunition, and soldiers still comes out victorious in any conflict with it's neighbors.

What you are really talking about is wishful thinking. It highlights the reason why certain regimes should never have nuclear weapons. People like you think you can come out "victorious" in a nuclear conflict, when the truth is, you consistently lose every conventional conflict you provoke. The only difference with nukes will be the body count. You still lose.

 

Human are self destructive force.. Nukes may stop the war today but there will come a point when someone will say - Fuck all, I'm gonna go kaboom on that mothafucka ass!!

 

I can't say either way for sure but did US really believe Saddam had WMD. If so, why did they still invade?

The west still needs their oil / resources and will still have to acquire it to survive, at least politically.

What's the point of having a detterent if you know you can't use it? Who does that deter?

 

So Israel won a few battles, they haven't won the war though.

Israel remains unrecognized in the middle east and it is their nukes that act as a deterrent from military invasions.

I think its a good idea to have nukes as a deterrent. It now is necessary because Israel has them, they started this nuclear arms race.

 

I agree...

 

Nobody sent you the memo? The war was over in six days.

Nobody sent you the memo? It is Palestine that is unrecognized. Israel is even recognized by Fatah in Palestine. It is Hamas that can't deal with it, though in fairness, Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by pretty much the rest of the civilized world. This is going to seem like a silly question, but if you don't have access to school books, do you have access to the internet? The information is readily available.

Seeing as how you don't consider the "war" to be over, perhaps you are right, though it seems Ahmadinejad may not consider them to be a real deterrent, since Iran is a nation of martyrs and all.

Deterrent to what? Till now, the Saudis never sought to have nukes. Apparently they don't seem too concerned about the threat of Israeli invasion. Then again, Israel never claimed to want to wipe the KSA, Iran, or any other nation from the map.

Of course, now that Iran is actively seeking nuclear arms, the KSA appears to be concerned (and rightly so), feeling they may need nukes to protect their sovereignty.

If you are in Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, KSA, or Iraq, I suppose you would have to be looking at Iran's 40 years of state sponsored terrorist attacks on Israel, the recent assassination based coup in Lebanon, the sectarian and racial hatred between Iran and the above mentioned countries, and wondering how long after Iran got nukes until it would be provoking unrest and setting off bombs in your country. If you don't want to oppose a nuclear Iran, I suppose you could just get used to giving them 40% of your oil revenue. We can just rename your countries, The United Collective of Iran's Bitches. Now that I think about it, I kind of like it.

Iranian dominance = followers of the Sunnah are second class citizens, if they let you live without converting.

 

The war has never finished, don't flatter yourself by winning a couple of battles against unequipped goat herders.

Most countries in the mid east do not recognize Israel, and whether they say it openly or not, they want to see it disappear, you know it, I know it, we all know it, why pretend otherwise?

No, just one nuke or two is the end of Israel, how many nukes do you need to bomb Iran off the map?

I always laugh when I see this map:



Israel must be the size of an Iranian village.

They haven't sought nukes, because they don't believe in nukes, they have different strategy to get rid these Nazionists.

 

It is very hard to believe that Irani killed their own scientist.

 

Flatter myself? I wasn't even flattering Israel. I was just stating historical fact. Its not my fault you are challenged by such things.,

So you are saying Hamas is lying when they say they don't really believe the words of their charter that call for the killing of Jews, and that Iran really does want to nuke Israel? If so, then you must also be saying that the US, and more specifically, neo-cons like John Bolton, who call for stronger sanctions and military action against this type of aggression are right on target.

What can I say to that. Thanks?

So do I, especially when I consider Israel's wealth and the fact they have no oil. Just goes to show you how a screwed up philosophy and a screwed up leadership can screw over a whole nation.

Apparently you didn't get that memo either.

Prince Hints Saudi Arabia May Join Nuclear Arms Race

You might be the single least informed person I've ever encountered.

Hey, maybe after you guys get done nuking each other, the US can roll in and harvest the oil unfettered by the presence of idiots. Just a thought.

 

Ah - Israel was invaded when it had nuclear weapons was it? You can confirm that they had nukes over 40 years ago. I mean they won't confirm that they have nuclear capabilities, so where did you get your knowledge from, it's all rumour. Although Wikipedia states:

"Israel is widely known to possess weapons of mass destruction, and to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The US Congress Office of Technology Assessment has recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared chemical warfare capabilities, and an offensive biological warfare program."

Obviously it has all the bad guy weapons at its disposal.

I think that as a new country it maybe should try a little harder to get on with its neighbours.

 

Israel gets missiles launched at it daily by its neighbors. You have people on this forum reaffirming the fact that Nuclear deterrence won't apply to Israel with quotes like this:

This is not a guy who considers Israel's nuclear capability a deterrence, and he claims everyone in every country that surrounds Israel thinks exactly the same way.

Right! And maybe homosexuals should try being a bit less gay to get along with the homophobes! If they can't do that, they deserve any gay bashing they receive.

You are giving Mikael/IsraeI/SolarProducts a run for the money in the competition for most ignorant person on the forum. You should ask Mikael what should be done with homosexuals.

 

So Israel gets missiles thrown at it daily does it? It's obvious that it is not well liked in the region, but it's not going anywhere. Maybe it should try a little harder to get on with its neighbours.

 

Oops. I just realized I attributed your quote to Mikael/IsraeI/SolarProducts.

Hey, if you could be a little more sane, I could get along better with you. Try harder!

 

If they are wealthy why do they have to continue to steal basic things like water?

They just say this to get you morons to attacks Irans nuclear facilities and you fall for it.

 

You're always attributing quotes to the wrong person, changing subjects, misdirecting etc. etc. But anyway here's something Israel could rectify fairly easily and help along the road to more peaceful relationships with its neighbours.

"Rapid growth in settlements - considered illegal under international law - means settlers (310,000) now significantly outnumber Palestinian residents (150,000) in Area C.

Along with the settlement expansion, Israel's prohibitive planning regime - it prevents Palestinians from building new houses or expanding their homes, restricts access to water, electricity, sewage and agricultural land as well as the prevention of free movement throughout the territory via checkpoints and the military's separation wall - was eroding Palestinians' ability to continue living in those areas, it found."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/isra...alestinians-20120115-1q1bu.html#ixzz1jZ88zVgi

You know - stop stealing other people's land. It does promote ill feeling.