Hello all, During the past couple of days I've been trying out some of those traffic sellers in here. I don't want to mention names just yet, but let's just say that their traffic SUCKS! I am tired of hearing guarantees of: 1) Real Visitors 2) From the US 3) Niche specific And then watching GA and Statcounter track less than 1% of the supposed traffic and Awstats showing loads of hits under "bots". If you can provide me with actual visitors from the US and with specific interests (I will give out the niche categories through PM), then I am very interested and you can expect good orders from me. I am a very honest buyer as you can see from my iTraders but I do expect to get a good product and will demand a refund if you don't provide that. Yes, you have no control over what the visitors do (assuming that you are selling real traffic) but we can all spot fake traffic when we see it. I DO NOT want fake/unrelated/bad traffic coming to my site so DO NOT contact me if that's what you are selling. I will track your traffic through Statcounter AND Analytics and I expect to see all the visits documented by those two. I will also expect you to hide the referrals so that the traffic doesn't end up doing more bad than good. These are REQUIREMENTS - non negotiable. If you say that you sent me 1k visitors and I only see 100 or 500 visitors in GA and Statcounter, then I will demand a refund and you should provide it. In regards to conversions - again, there is nothing you can do about that other than ensuring that the traffic you send me is indeed targeted to the niche. I plan to try out several traffic providers and the one with the best conversions will end up getting all my business. Having said that, make me your offer for 1K visitors from the US and niche specific (will provide the niche through PM). Thanks in advance!
Don't want to burst your bubble but i've been selling quality targeted traffic for a long time and GA and statcounter are just a few of the most unreliable stat counters out there and you can google that for clarification. I've had so many chargebacks because people can't get over that awstats is legit and it is the most accurate tool. I honestly don't think you will get any bites from reputable sellers as what i stated previously and you will be asking for a refund. I'm not going to tell you that all traffic sellers are legit on here but they do exist but you will never know because you use GA and statcounter so you have no room to drop any names and give a possible legit seller a bad name for no reason. If other legit sellers would like to chime in and give your thoughts i think it will open some eyes as i know we've all dealt with this ongoing problem.
Great... someone who is willing to argue - I am perfectly fine with that since I am definitely no expert when it comes to buying traffic and I would like to learn. Over the past week or so, I have been buying traffic from a couple of different people. Everybody claims that their traffic is great, from the US and targeted, so I didn't even waste time to read their pitches - I just bought from those that had high itraders. Again, high itraders.... I really don't know how they got them. On average, when being told by a traffic provider that I was sent about 300 visits, GA and Statcounter would show traffic in the single digits. Awstats would show traffic in the high 300s. But here is the funny part... Awstats would record all those visits under "Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*')" - So I ask you... is that real traffic? Furthermore, while I am definitely a noob bulk traffic buyer, I have been a webmaster for years and have used pretty much every CPC advertising network out there. Whenever I was seeing clicks, I would be able to track the paths of ALL those clicks over at both GA and Statcounter. And sure, Awstats too. The issue here is that Awstats records every single visit on your site. So, is it more accurate than the other two? Yes. But is it more reliable and insightful? Hell no. And I am sure you'll agree. The fact is that GA and Statcounter, while they may both miss out on some people due to several issues, would capture over 90% of real visits to the site (I would say 99% but I don't want to argue over things with little importance). So, with 90%, if I was indeed getting 1000 unique and real visitors, then I would see at least 900. In my case, only about 3% would show for every 1K, so about 30 visits..... Meanwhile, I am running a FB campaign where I can actually track 100% of the clicks that FB is reporting. So, please explain to me why "real traffic" from bulk traffic sellers is any different than any other legit source of traffic that is being recorded in most tracking apps (including those that don't count bots)?
Just because awstats shows (id'd by bot) does not mean it's bot traffic, it may have not been able to detect it's origin. You can not compare CPC (clean traffic) to pop traffic which is what you are probably getting from here and in most cases it does suck. Next time the question to ask is if this is CLEAN or RON traffic because there is a huge difference in quality. If you can afford CPC i'd say stick with it because it converts best, adwords is obviously the best and FB isn't bad either. Didn't mean to jump you here but as you can see it hit a nerve as far as chargebacks, i just refunded to a guy that tracks using Nats for an adult site and that is complete garbage.
Bigove73 - Don't worry, I didn't try to get defensive... I am really just trying to understand. CPC is obviously better, but if it costs about 50c per person while I can get a few hundred of visitors for that price, then even if CPC is much more targeted, it may still not be the best choice in terms of conversions. I guess it may be... but I would like to test the waters. I think I understand what "clean" traffic means, but what is RON? Is pop - popup? In that case, since most people will just block popups or close them right away, is that why the traffic is not getting documented? If so, would clean/ron traffic be documented? And is that what you offer? My big problem is that the site I am working on is pushing some weight loss programs that for some reason Adwords won't advertise... As such, I am losing the most powerful source of super targeted traffic and I thought that it would be a good opportunity to try some other sources. In regards to chargebacks - that is not what I have done so far. I simply asked for a refund right away when I noticed the first set of a couple of hundred visitors showing up ONLY as bots and ONLY on Awstats. I bought traffic from 3 sellers - 1 of them offered me a refund which shows me that he is indeed an honorable seller, the other one neglected my messages and when the "credits" had almost ran out, he offered to stop the campaign and refund the "remaining" credits which shows me that he is full of it, and last but not least, we have that other guy who simply hasn't responded yet. It's that 1st person that makes me think that maybe I just don't understand how this low quality traffic works.. Or maybe... it's just plain old super crappy traffic that is just a waste of time and money. Any insights would be much appreciated! And again, $5 buys me 10 good visitors or 1K DP-type traffic ones. Do you think that out of 10 CPCs are better than 1K of DP-type of traffic? If so, then how is it even possible to hear people talk about good, adsense-safe, geotargeted, and niche specific traffic?? I bet that if these things were true that 1K of those visitors would be the equivalent of at least 100 CPCs, no?
Spy - No worries, i'll try to help out as much as possible... I'd really be interested to see your site since adwords won't allow it, i've never heard that before. Just out of curiousity have you used DP advertising before? I'd be anxcious to hear how it does, i'm thinking about trying it. Clean traffic is truly targeted and direct traffic that came directly from another clean site and that traffic way outperforms RON traffic. Run of the Network traffic is essentially what people call junk traffic because it can come from any site from any niche and in most cases is not related to yours so i don't recommend it if your looking for conversions. (pop traffic) Yeah i like to get a message and do a instant refund if the customer is not happy, i just don't like someone jumping to a dispute and leaving a nasty comment for paypal to see. Honestly it's really hard to tell but i know for a fact that a lot of people selling on here are sending some garbage RON traffic and claiming that it is targeted. Like i said i'm not familiar with DP's advertising or how successful it is but with any type of traffic a lot weighs on the presentation of your site and the quality of the product. The traffic i sell is targeted and geo targeted and i have a very large following that keeps coming back for more and others that say its like rubber and bounces right off lol but i'd say give it a shot. I honestly use my own traffic and it always pays for itself and then some. Just because i'm a stand-up guy could i send you 1K free targeted hits and see how it does for you? If it doesn't work for you then it doesn't work and you lose nothing.
Thanks for the explanations In regards to DP advertising - it wouldn't work for my site cause it's not at all related to webmasters which is the niche here. About the refunds - I have never filed a dispute with Paypal... at least not yet... hehe Sent you a PM about the site details