The majority of the americans finally woke up to see the truth and voted no for wars

It's funny how everybody cares about Kurds, sunnis and Shiites all of a sudden.

They started the war

 

Those who support the war on Iraq.
Can you go please and serve one year in Iraq and then tell us how you liked it?
It's always easier to send somebody else to do one's dirty job.
As far as I know only one senator's kid is serving in Iraq.

 

Poor terrorists in Iraq. They never get any credit, yet they work so hard to kill people every day.

Everyone's too busy giving their credit to others.

 

You call anyone who fights back against a foreign invader a terrorist? Aren't Iraqis allowed to fight for their country?

Illogical.

 

Really? So the people terrorists are blowing up are not Iraqis? I was not aware of that.

See what I mean? A poor terrorist can't get any credit these days.

 

They are all Iraqi's.

What the heck are Americans doing there?

 

So you agree, a poor terrorist can't get any credit these days?

What are Americans doing there? Kicking the asses of the people whose credit you give away!

 

the Iraqi people that are killed by the foreign terrorists don't count......... unless you do a complete and exaggerated count that you credit the troops for. While you are at it remember ALL American troops and Bush had something to do with the prison abuses and ALL American troops and Bush rape and murder. Don't forget ALL... that is key here because 5 guys represents ALL of our military and Bush.

Bombs going off at a wedding must be credited to the US troops, they set it up and made it look like ibriham mohamad blew himself up.

 

As soon as terrorists stop targetting everyone on the planet that isn't Muslim (or not Muslim enough) I'll believe that America is the problem.

Whenever a someone spouts off about American foreign policy I'm reminded of American Beauty when the mom is lecturing the dad about their daughter and he tells her "she hate you too, you know."

How quickly we forget that Spain wanted nothing to do with the war in Iraq and yet they were bombed.

France has wanted nothing to do with Iraq and yet they're being fire bombed again.

Indonesia is still under attack.

So tell me mister anti-war smarty pants people, where in the world has a country avoided being attacked in any way by islamofascists and what is their foreign policy?

 

Can you Kalvin do better than this?

I agree with you that many muslims have no regards to democracy, freedom etc.

But the issue here is a war that was started for WMD. The terrorists came later in Iraq.

"Americans are realizing that you can't found the politics of a country on patriotic passion and reflexes," he said. "You can't fool everybody all the time — and I think that's what Bush and his administration are learning today."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_el_ge/eln_elections_world_view

The whole world is against this administration for its war on Iraq.
War (especially unfounded one) has nothing to do with Christianity.
In contrast, ISLAM with his founder Muhammad have something to do with it. Muhammad waged a number of wars for verious reasons. But in this case with Iraq it is our goverment FAULT. USA waged the war to eliminate Saddam's WMD. There were none, and they new it very well. They just wanted to remove Saddam and let the OIL companies in.

 

Better than what? Blowing shit up?

 

I wish....

Where's Jefferson when you need him?

 

Did living a peaceful life help the Amish community in Pennsylvania when someone killed their children several weeks ago?

No!!!

One can be peaceful and still not allow others to treat you like a rug. It's called having healthy boundaries (both personal and national).

 

That is correct. To "beat feet" isn't a way to help matters either.

 

I don't believe Americans voted against wars. I believe they voted against the Republican administration and the Republican Congress.

Why? The democrats didn't provide a "plan" to end the war. They don't have a hard and fast plan. Currently they have many perspectives on how to proceed.

In fact so do Republicans. They have many perspectives. The probable new head of the Pentagon was reportedly against this war when it started. Most, but not all republicans just didn't voice their disgust with the administration.

But don't be mistaken. Bush doesn't really have a plan. If he did he wouldn't have gotten rid of Rumsfeld immediately nor shown a willingness to work with Democrats as soon as they got the majorities in both houses.

No one has a "plan" because this is a serious and big mess. There will be no easy ways to "solve" this.

I'm sure the parties in charge will now look seriously at lots more alternatives at changing the current status than was looked at earlier. In some ways Bush has been freed of his make believe politics that "played" to the most conservative of supporters.

I'd actually be for escalating troops in Iraq IF we could see a clear picture at "some kind of victory in the near future" and IF we actually have the troops. I think its clear we currently don't have the troops.

I think this is a big mess. A "best" alternative for America may be to get out of there. But I don't have all the answers.

I am happy there is a lot more brain power now open to work on solutions. We have needed this for several years now.

 

I believe in your latter statement. I believe most Americans question whether it was necessary, but they don't necessarily desire 'a' solution ie let's leave or let's stay.

IMHO, I think most Americans want it done properly, so we don't come back. And since the youth of America really changed this a bit, I believe they didn't believe Bush when he said he'd do that. I don't blame them.

About 3 or 4, I believe.

Federalism for Iraq------
Leave immediately-------
Redeploy and leave at pace------
Leave when certain things are done-----------

I don't know many of the Republican plans, actually. They're not as vocal as Democrats. Reason why they lost?

Bush seems like a reactionary figure, not a proactive person in my perception...but I could deeply wrong if I knew the details.

*shrug*

Ahh, a reasonable mind.