Radical Islamics and Right Wing Fundamentalists AGREE: Neither believe in evolution

Its pretty interesting when Radical Islamic fundamentalists and Extremists Right Wing Americans go to a war of words and accusations: In many ways they are very similar.

Here is just one of those many similarities:

At the extremes both reject Evolution:

On the Islamic side: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nidhal-guessoum/islam-evolution_b_1175776.html

On the GOP side: Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancredo, and others from 2008 didn't believe in evolution. This year Michelle Bachmann doesn't believe in it...and Rick Perry happily lets us know in his state they teach creationism. Rick Santorum is responsible for crafting legislation to specifically negate teaching evolution and instead teach "intelligent design" which is a slick term for religion over evolution when it comes to the development of life and mankind.

I've never understood why these two groups go at one another tooth and nail. Deep down they are very similar.

 

Eeeew, EarlPearl....


(Rebecca grabs popcorn, and waits for the fight)


lol.

 

LoL. I can see Earlpearl at home, angrily typing away into his computer:

Ignore the economy people! Ignore three years of Barack Obama debt, Obama's failure to lead and the polarization of congress, the trillions paid out to special interests like govt employee unions, Solyndra, and tax evading GE via "stimulus" dollars.

Lets talk about Evolution instead!!!!!!


I love it. Keep it coming.

 

LOL: Bring it on.

O_Nation: you forgot one teensy weensy little fact:

The Republicans were the one's that ruined the economy...brought it to its knees. Unleashed wall street and real estate crooks to create the most massive explosion of miserable debt ever unleashed on the modern world.


But seriously...they both agree!!!! Religious fervor trumps science. If you look at Islam's advances over the last 200 to 300 or so years....you have to wonder about the appropriateness of this kind of rigid thinking.

 

This is exactly what I have been saying!! Its the Republicans fault that we have nearly accumulated more debt in the last three years than we have since the birth of the nation! The republicans are not only responsible for creating the mess, they are the ones preventing it from being fixed and are actually making it worse!! Sure they have only had control of one house of congress for 12 months of the last three years, but they are definitely the source of the problem!

What we need to do is get all the Republicans out of congress and give Barack Obama another four years with an all Democrat congress so he can set this nation right!

 

The guy is arrested for cutting the brakes on his wife car, causing the accident and killing many people. In his defense , he states that the problem was not the fact that he tempered with the brakes, the problem was that his wife accelerated and didn´t use the brake. Once the Bush policies was in effect, the result was a certain crash no matter who was on the wheel. The only thing that the driver could be blamed for was may be the fact that he could have used the hand brake or try to maneuver the car better to dampen the result of the crash. Obama was a bad driver but that is the extent of his fault.

 

Debating economics occurs in 100 different places. I'm more interested in the reaction to the OT: Large parts of Islam reject evolution. On the Right Wing of American politics there is a significant strand that rejects evolution. From the American side this has been going on for decades and decades. Possibly the incident that gathered the greatest news coverage on this long simmering issue was the Scopes Monkey Trial. It occurred in 1925. The issues and the debate were going on for decades before that.

Meanwhile, as a whole Islamic culture, while seemingly embracing this perspective has strongly turned its back on science. Hundreds or 1,000 years ago or more there were eminent Islamic scientists and scholars.

But for hundreds of more recent years there have been virtually none.

My question is: If society embraces the concepts of theology to an extreme and in a fundamental way that embraces the biblical word to the letter....does it turn its back on science??

If so, what are the implications of a fundamentalist right wing in America that would diminish science for biblical interpretations on how life developed?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

99% of people are born in to a religion and will never think about it during their life time. They learn science without thinking about how it is in conflict with their religion. On the other side, some people will start thinking about it and the intelligent ones give up on religion while the stupid ones start to believing their religious nonsense literally and try to force it on other people.

 

Exactly what I'm saying! The Republicans FORCED Obama to spend a trillion dollars on a brand new entitlement that mostly benefits the insurance companies. He would never have pushed it through on a partisan and procedural vote had the Republicans not made him do so. The Republicans also forced him to give 800 Billion to unions and special interests in state governments, and hundreds of billions to "green energy" initiatives. These were all Republican ideas and legacies of the Republican recession resulting from Republican obstructionism which prevented the regulation of Fannie and Freddie. Republicans are to blame! We need to vote them out, re-elect Barack Obama, and then the recovery can begin in earnest!

Of course you are interested in sticking to the discussion of religion, or abortion, or anything but the economy. Better to alienate the large number of "whack job" Christians who vote Democrat than talk about Obama's economy.

 

GWorld:

I looked at your link. Of the scientists referenced in which there are associated dates...there are dramatically more connected to the deep past than to the 1700,'s and 1800's. Then there are a smattering and relatively far fewer scientists associated with the 20th century than in the past. And you extracted a smaller subgroup of scientists from the long list. They are physicists. That is primarily a 20th and 21st century phenomena.

Looks like Islam is happily promoting science in bomb development....and ignoring many other aspects of science.

It looks to me like for a 500 - 1,000 year period the growth of human knowledge through the promotion of science was blocked...especially relative to the significant advances that were made in far far earlier times. What has occurred within that religion and mainstream culture to block such growth??

 

While Europe was going through industrial revolution, Asia and Africa was being colonized. Science doesn´t flourish in a vacuum, it needs the necessary infra structure and social development. Look at Chinese, they were not Muslims. A flourishing society that produced many innovations, went though a dark age and being controlled by different countries while now the society is changing again and with it brings the scientific and technological advances.

 

Science does not belong to the East or West nor does it belong to any religion.

All the Abrahamic faiths teach that we are all the offspring of Adam and Eve, that's why evolution is automatically rejected.

 

Barack Obama

* Devout Christian
* Believer in Evolution


Many more like him here in the US.

 

He's Christian by name or "fake Christian".

 

Says who? You? Are you the decider on who is or is not a christian?

 

A Christian is one who believes in what the bible teaches.

 

What the bible teaches?.... A bible verse can be seen by 5 people and interperted 10 different ways.
The teachings of the bible have been perverted in history and have been responsible for things like the Spanish Inquistion,the Crusades,burning witches at the stake etc. I have abandoned following the teachings of the bible in part.Instead I follow the teachings of Jesus,very wise prophet and blessed by God.I believe a Christian to be someone who believes that through Jesus you can get closer to God.Just as Muslims believe that through Mohammed(peace be apon him)you can get closer to Allah.Does a Muslim nessesarily have to follow the teachings of the Quran 100% to be a good Muslim?

 

I believe you meant to say a Christian is a follower of the New Testament. Devout Christian and biblical scholars can't agree on the meaning of many parts, which is a contributing factor to why there are so many sects of christianity.

So who is the decider on what the bible (new testament, or old) teaches? You? A Sunni Muslim? Who are you to make a blanket statement that the teachings of the bible prohibit belief in evolution?

 

I realize that with my last post I strayed off topic.So to compensate let me state that as a Christian I believe that evolution is part of God's slow but steady plan to perfect his greatest creation.....man.
As with most Christians I cherry pick what parts of the bible I accept and don't accept.I don't accept the Adam and Eve story of creation.

 

This is true with all scriptures.

I'm not sure it was perverted or whether the bible actually teaches these things you mentioned.

The Bible is the decider.