I hardly ever have an IE crash, haven't had one yet on IE7. Now firefox, thats a different story, I don't use it because it crashes to much. If someone has a funky code in the site it crashes FF.
I'm sorry but this is a bunch of bull shit. Does Firefox crash occasionally? Yes it does, but no more so than any other Windows application. In fact MS Word is more prone to crashing than is Firefox. I don't know how often IE crashes as I only use it for development purposes, but I do know IE6 is a security nightmare. In spite of the best efforts of myself and my brother (who is a Microsoft certified system's engineer and a network engineer who used to manage the computer networks in the Prudhoe Bay Alaska oil fields), the foster children my mother takes in consistently manage to get my mom's computers infected with spyware and viruses when using IE6. The only solution to this problem has been to remove all shortcuts to IE and forbid the use of IE or face the loss of computer privileges. IE7 is too new to know how it does security wise, but I'm hoping it proves out to much more secure than IE6. I'm already liking some of the new security features in IE7 and I am liking the fact that it is much more standards compliant. Anyone who claims that any truly modern browser totally sucks is simply not being honest. Really the honest truth is that IE7, Firefox 2.0 and Opera 9 are all very fine browsers (I've never used Safari) and anyone who exercises a basic level of safe computing practices should do just fine with any of these browsers. For the really clueless, Opera would probably be the best choice as it is completely resistant against all IE and Firefox exploits and nobody tries to target Opera because of its minuscule market share. It is time for browser fan boys stop spreading FUD about other browsers and simply point out why they like their chosen browser so much. The real differences between the major browsers are narrowing and hopefully we are entering a new phase of the "browser war" where each browser vendor strives to continually improve their browser with regular updates (e.g. we shouldn't wait another five years for the next version of IE).
I just came across two reviews on CNet's website for IE7 and Firefox 2.0 that people might be interested in reading. I think people will find these reviews much more objective than comments we see in this thread. Both reviews are good reading. IE7: http://reviews.cnet.com/Internet_Explorer_7/4505-3514_7-32111537.html FF2: http://reviews.cnet.com/Firefox_2/4505-9241_7-32126746.html --edit-- I just found a head to head review of IE7 vs FF2 on CNet at: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6656808-1.html
It has to be firefox for me, allthough to be honest i have noticed firefox crashing badly a few times recenty, maybe there is some sort of glitch in my program as seriasly my pc is sweet
I absolutely agree. I've enjoyed reading your posts here KLB. Unlike a lot of the replies, you actually put some thought into yours. Green to you! I started this thread with a vote for IE7, but I've now upgraded my version of Firefox and am equally impressed. I'll probably still use IE7 as my main browser until any security issues arise, in which case I'll have FF waiting in the wings.
IE 7 is now bug free. But boss with firefox addons frefox becomes killer application. Every webmaster want to know PR, alexa, ip of any site. With firefox add on tool it's very very comfortable. Still IE hasn't even thought of it. Downloading in IE still needs external application to resume. IE needs to think about these things before they even think any competition with firefox.
Source: http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/10/31/ie7_causes_site_problems/ Firefox, the best ...IMHO.
Mariush, you should probably edit your last post to just summarize the article and provide the link for people to go see it. Copying the entire article into your thread is a violation of the publisher's copyrights. With that said a lot of companies are going to learn that their sites have problems with IE7 because of their thumbing their noses at we specifications for so long. I'm not shedding any tears of their self inflicted whoas.
Well, I've edited the article. Though, I must say I don't really share your point of view.. yes, it may be a violation, but I didn't give you any clue about the completeness of the article, you have probably visited the site anyway, site received a new visitor, profit .. It's The Register, a site that much like Slashdot, The Inquirer, Anandtech and others, have too many viewers to actually care about a few people lost because of me.
Thank you Do a search for "L.A. Times v. Free Republic". It is case law that exactly covers posting and commenting on articles the way you did. Regardless of what people feel, case law has established that copyright laws prohibit the copying and republishing of other people's articles without their permission. You may not care, but since so many of us depend upon copyright protections for our own content, we should respect the copyrights of others. It could also save DP some legal headaches when some copyright owner files a cease and desist order.
Now back on topic. For those of you trying to resolve IE7 page rendering issues as part of your HTML development process, I just posted a thread containing some really elegant solutions to addressing version specific MSIE rendering issues at http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=170495.
FF load time sucks but thats about the worst I can say about it, the standard IE7 looks naff and just does not feel right, plus I have some really cool plugins (web, colorzilla etc). I only use IE to check my Alexa toolbar and to check website designs
Boy are you the creator of FF? you act like I attacked your pride. Anyways, I use FF to check sites sometimes, other times I stay on it for a while, but like I said it tends to crash. Especially if I try to watch a video on it. Other times I didn't know it was crashing, it just goes to the FF crash report thing. Like I said, I hardly ever use it and when I do about 25% of the time I am done because of a crash. This is on more than one computer too. So, if you don't like it, too bad, my personal experience with FF, is just that. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, in fact maybe I am just bill gates posing on here to save face. LOL
KLB, I do want to add that I respect your skill and knowledge of code, etc.. and how exact you are - my bet is your sites are the cleanest around. So, please don't take offense to my stance.
No but I call a spade a spade. If you look through threads you will see that I also call people for making unfair claims about IE7. We don't need hyperbole and baseless claims about ANY browser. I'm tired of one browser camp turning browser discussions into religious debates and trying to paint any given browser in the worst possible light. I called your post as I saw it. Personally I think from a technical perspective Opera is probably the best browser, but that from a real world perspective, people not knowing anything about it and it having such a small market share makes it an easy browser for developers to dismiss and discriminate against. For the masses, IE7 is a fantastic step forward from IE6 if the average user can get passed the new interface. For power users and developers, Firefox's flexibility and extensions make it a very desirable choice. From this description I have seen similar problems, but it wasn't Firefox, it was Macromedia Flash. Once I installed the Flashblock extension, which replaces Flash objects with a play button the problem went away entirely. It seems to be badly programmed Flash objects chewing up to much processor time and memory. If you ever look at even the HTML code provided by advertisers, it is crap and their Flash applets seem to be no better. Basically Flash puts very powerful programing tools in the hands of people who do not understand how to produce well coded objects and only care about how "flashy" they can make their ads. You provided personal experience and blamed it on Firefox without digging to see what the real issue was. This is no better than someone saying IE7 is crap because it broke their site without taking the time to make sure their site was validated to W3C HTML & CSS specifications.