Too Funny - United States Asking Iran To Give The Captured Drone Back

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Nima, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    #41
    So you think the USA has the perfect citizens and no matter what cannot oppose the government.

    You never was. We know this. :cool:
     
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  2. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #42
    What a bunch of crap. Are you saying that disagreeing with U.S. policy is the same as putting a bomb. There is nothing new on the sun, people like you accusing their neighbors, family and friends as communist spies (the devil on that time) had a short glorious period under senator Mc Carthy time but real Americans put them in garbage bin of history and I hope that they will do it once more.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #43
    Freedom of speech is a core value, its true. Citizens can protest and say what they want. The process of making someone a citizen, on the other hand, has to come with a modicum of common sense. For instance, making someone a citizen who thinks the "United States government (that has the bad ass hardware and software) has already fucked the whole world three times over" is just dumb. There are millions of people in the queue to obtain US citizenship who don't feel we have "fucked the whole world", or that we need to move our economic system towards socialism.

    The UK won't even grant people like Geert Wilders a visa, and you think we should be indiscriminate about who we grant citizenship to?

    Now here I can agree with you. These wanna be Americans need to get over apologizing for our heritage, like the trail of tears, Japanese internment, slavery, and the clubbing of baby harp seals. They need to get with the program and protest the government when it decides to redistribute wealth through taxation, or when it helps our new "Multi-culti" bevy of immigrants turn our nation into Quebec.




    Re-read my post. You obviously missed my argument.
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Not at all what I said. What I said is, if you oppose the American government while applying for citizenship, you should be denied citizenship. Given Nima's issues with the use of our military, I'd say he opposed the US long before he was made.
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #45
    PM me your e-mail and I'll send it to you ;)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #46
    Post it here. DP has many members in UK, they can bring you some change, hot coffee and may be even a big Mac.
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #47
    Back to Spain already ? Oh gworld you really pissed your pants didn't you ?
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #48
    Don´t worry I will be back to UK on 23rd but I don´t think they will let you in UK after your deportation from Austria. What do you do in Romania, are you operating a chop shop as in Austria?
     
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    #50
    True. If Israel decided to go it alone, the US would "publicly" distance itself but would off course weigh in behind the scenes (more drones, satellite intel, possibly US ships in the Straits of Hormuz). One grave disadvantage Iran has is that it cannot retaliate against Israel without crossing two countries (both of which have heavy US troop presence). They can off course try the Shahab missile but again, this would have to fly over two nations with US boots and equipment. The missiles would therefore never reach Israel.......Closing the Strait of Hormuz to ignite higher world oil prices would also backfire miserably and invite US military intervention since the US and EU would never tolerate higher gasoline prices at this time ....
     
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  11. Nima

    Nima Well-Known Member

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    #51
    and bankrupt us more than we already are.
     
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    serena85 Peon

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    #52
    I saw the news on tv when they shoot down the drone....and the second day the Americans are saying "Give us our toy back....muahahaha" very funny indeed.
     
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    #53
    One funny incident is when Seal Team 6 killed a prominent figure hiding in Pakistan. Almost all people in the world were celebrating.
     
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  14. Nima

    Nima Well-Known Member

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    #54
    If you're trying to say Osama Bin Laden was a "prominent" figure, and "prominent" has anything positive whatsoever attached to it..... I must disagree. Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist, murderer, using force to promote his religion. For me he was at the same level as level of Hitler - one racist, one extreme religionist. That being said, United State didn't have the right to take him out until Bin Laden launched attacks on the country. The only thing I wish is that he had been killed earlier.

    This quote from Atlas Shrugged says it best:
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #55
    In the long history of espionage and intelligence operations against different nations, performed by most nations...everyone is going to win and lose at various times. Iran took down the drone. The pictures are worth a thousand words. Moreover they somehow accomplished this to get the drone to land unscratched. Similarly recently American CIA agents were discovered by the Iranians and Hezbollah.

    On the other hand at some point after years of clandestine research the US was able to track a source to Osama bin Laden. It resulted in his being blown to bits.

    Sometimes these victories in espionage are revealed to the public. The downed drone is a perfect example. At other times there could be a "cracking of some information" that could go on for years without it ever being revealed.

    Nobody here knows anything specific about any of it.

    Crowing or denying about some espionage victory is sort of stupid politically. It went on hundreds of years ago. It goes on now.

    Meanwhile Iran did manage to take down that drone, and get it to land seemingly unscratched. I'd say they won this one. Meanwhile the game goes on forever and ever, endlessly.
     
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    #56
    Hitler needed to play the role of a Christian to rule and motivate the Germans who were Christians; he wasn't religious at all.

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity..." - Hitler, 12th July, 1941

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." - Hitler, 10th October, 1941

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity..." - Hitler, 14th October, 1941

    "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." - Hitler, 19th October, 1941

    "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." - Hitler, 21st October, 1941

    these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk.
     
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    #57
    My point exactly. Stuxnet was probably just Iranian incompetence.

    Hitler was trying to spread Christianity throughout godless Europe.
     
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  18. Nima

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    #58

    I'm not saying whether Hitler was trying to promote Christianity or not. I was saying to me, Hitler and extremist religionist are worth the same (far below zero).
     
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    #59
    I'd like to think stuxnet was a small victory for the good guys team.

    IMHO its only too bad it didn't have a bigger deadlier impact....like blowing the places to smithereens. That would have been like fireworks on the 4th of July, IMHO. :D

    As I recall nobody here turned it into a political discussion. I certainly didn't go on about it...and as I recall it didn't get you to rave about how competent and clever Obama is? What happened? Were you asleep that month?
     
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    #60
    I must have been on my meds. Hard to credit Stuxnet to Obama though. I get the feeling that particular dirty tricks group has been hard at work for more than 20 years.

    To be fair to bo-bo, I'm hard pressed to dislike many aspects of his foreign policy. Lets face it. A liberal has a lot more latitude to bomb the crap out of someone than a conservative does. If Bush had tried the troop escalation in Afghanistan, or the unauthorized Bin Laden nab, or the targeted assassination of a US citizen in Yemen, or the continued operation of Gitmo, or the continued military tribunals, or the bombing campaigns over Libya, or the troops in Nigeria, the libbies would have crucified him for it. Obama gets a hall pass.

    Now if he could just openly embrace Israel, quit apologizing to everyone, and quit pussy footing around with Iran, he'd get complete A's on my foreign policy report card. Too bad he fails the domestic policy score card so badly, or I might have actually voted for him next year.
     
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