But Timur, why have a listing that doesn't offer value in the first place? You sound like you are relatively new to the directory game. Yes, you are making money at it, but, based on past history you are setting yourself up for a fall. You aren't the first one to build a profitable model like you describe. It's been done before. For a while it makes money. In time, it usually fails. The "SEO gurus" you follow have made it clear that they hate directories and link sellers. They had a great deal of influence over Google in 2007 (probably still do). While they were blasting directories, often by name, they were selling SEO services which included directory submission. They were quietly purchasing links from many of the same directories they were telling Google to ban. They have newsletters, banner space and SEO services to sell. For whatever reason, as a group, they thought it would help their bottom line by attacking general directories. If nothing else, it certainly got them more followers. Don't know WTH you are talking about with the racist comments. Hurtful? If anything, I think people here are trying to offer you their best advice so you don't learn the hard way that your revenue model generally fails to be sustainable. If you think this is attacking you, you should have been around here in 2007 and 2008 - this is milquetoast compared to what people said to each other back then. And, BTW, Wikipedia made their links no-follow to help stop spammers.
What is the best pricing for PR 1 paid directory with about above 9000 indexed pages ?? and how much page index matters ?
My sites have nothing to do with anything, these is just personal attacks. What i'm trying to say is that there is no difference from a site having keyword anchor or duplicate content vs sites that are "high quality". By including the no-follow tag on free listings you are telling Google that you do not trust the site or is not moderated. I'm sorry, but Wikipedia does not use nofollow just to stop spammers. Wikipedia must be one of the highest trusted sites on the web, why would they dilute that trust with lower valued sites? Go and do some simple testing, check if anchor text makes a difference, check if duplicate content makes a difference. I do not even add my own sites to directories, why? because it offers no value apart from IP diversification and Pagerank. I submit to yahoo, dmoz, and maybe botw if it ranks well for its category, but this is still link manipulation, i would be submitting for the authority not because actual people search those directories. I may try to get included into a niche directory that is actually an quality resource, a example would be: fmb.org.uk/fab/ those of you that think you have a quality resource are confused, would you still maintain your directory if Google removed you from there index? I am being blunt with you guys here and you don't like it. Again, again, and again, i will repeat test test test. What i say is my own opinion, you don't need to agree with me. Ultimately people run directories to earn money, would you do it as a hobby and not charge for links? no, you would have to be living in daisy land to do that.
Well, I don't have any intention to be rude. As YMC said, this is not a sustainable model + it is an act of adding garbage to the internet. In my previous internet marketing encounters (not in directories though), I ran behind money and created a crappy empire like this. Business ran profitable for 4 years! And one fine day Google slapped it and I had to shut it down. It was such a pain and shock. You will have to build something valuable to sustain in the market for years together or you will learn by the hard way. There is nothing more to talk. There was an old story in my village. A blind man caught a rabbit and he was arguing that it had only three legs. Even though people around him said that a rabbit will have four legs, blind man still kept arguing that a rabbit will only have three legs. What a pity !
They believe that by nofollowing the junk they include they are offering value to the ones that pay. Sadly, they haven't realised that the actual written text on a page is the content. The links being nofollowed is irrelevant. The fact that the directories will contain a majority of garbage text, with good sites scattered scarcely around them, is actually dangerous. It's not just lacking in value, it's actually harmful to the sites that are listed with the dofollow. To then come on here and attack owners like samdar, and offer them extremely bad advice, when they are looking to create unique content is ridiculous. The internet thrives on unique content. The directories that are established, well known, and trusted within this spectrum all have a brand. To try and suggest that a brand is not important, is not just naive, it's thoughtless and self-serving. It suits their business model of 70 throwaway link-farms to denounce branding. It suits the nature of the web, unique content, and building something useful that will stand the test of time to encourage branding at every turn. Without a brand and a long-term strategy a directory will not survive this industry. Someone might own a tonne of entities that sell paid listings. They might even make money. But no one on the entire web, including Google, is going to give those places any respect. Especially whilst they don't maintain any editing principles, and just include all garbage submitted. To build 70 link farms masquerading as directories and narcissistically purport that it is a brilliant and sustainable business model, is even more ridiculous. When it fails those throwaway domain names will disappear. How many times have we seen it before? Now if it was a brand, even if it failed, I bet the domain would retain value The fact that someone on this forum has seen some of these "so called" directories and is pointing out the inconsistencies in what this person says and what they actually do behind the scenes should be a big red flag to anyone engaging in business with this person. Obviously very new, I'd say less than 6 months owning a directory. Perhaps didn't delve deep enough into the industry to check out the events of October 2007 that shaped the direction that directories head in now. Their claim about double digit marketing experience also sounds highly dubious. Many of those SEO gurus, are still very active submitters in the directory industry. They push away with one hand (the public one), and they draw closer with the other (the private one). A fact this person won't glean from reading any number of SEOMoz forum/blog posts. It's what is "not" said that is often of the greatest import Yeah I think perhaps they are feeling the heat after firing the first salvos and not giving respect when they entered this forum. My comments have just been honest. I haven't even been my usual blunt self. I really haven't even gotten out of first gear in this thread, I haven't needed too because the opposing argument is so flimsy. Schooling people who are know-it-all know-nothings can be like trying to run through quicksand. *sigh* Let's hope they "get it" eventually...
You are not getting any of this. You think that original content makes a difference. Content for search engines = Duplicate content gets penalized for the specific page not for the site. User Experience = This does not exist in general link directories. So please enlighten me how a general link directory benefits from unique/quality content. If you can teach me something then that's great, you're going to have to prove i though. Not everyone is looking to submit to branded directories, I think you are going a little off topic here. But I am special, I am the master of my trade. The fact that someone on this forum has seen some of these "so called" directories and is pointing out the inconsistencies in what this person says and what they actually do behind the scenes should be a big red flag to anyone engaging in business with this person. And why is that? jealousy? My directories are just as good if not better than the majority of diectory owners here. OHHH I love it. About a year or so. I specialise in buying and selling domains, a client asked me if I could create link directories to his specification, but hey lets keep this on topic. You guys love making personal attacks. I'm more than happy to share my life with you all though. I actually read SEOmoz because they are the best resource when it comes to SEO, there methods are tried and tested. I reference them because they are the main authority in the niche. I 100% agree that you guys should be recognized more that what I am, but what you think is a quality resource is actually not. Google itself is a directory, they have spent years and millions if not billions of dollars to get to where they are now, why on earth would they rank general link directories high? Its like ranking an algorithm in another algorithm, you guys are living in the 90's. Google figured you guys out long before 2007. You can all hate on me as much as you want. The only difference between me and anyone else here is that I am earning the money.
No one here is jealous of you. No one here is attacking you. I think that a few of us just have a slight difference of opinion and question your methods. Fair enough?
Why can't anyone convince me then? Am I being stubborn? Some kind of proof would be nice, anyone capable of that?
You can all hate on me as much as you want. The only difference between me and anyone else here is that I am earning the money. No-one here hates you or is jealous of you Timur. The comments made against your business model are well proven, even if you fail to see it. By your own admission quoted above you are a con-merchant because you are trading in a commodity that you cannot guarantee to supply indefinitely, namely Google Pagerank. By the way, did you know that high PR != high SERPs? I own a small humble website that not only beats big sites like Wikipedia for dozens of search terms but has half the PR of those big sites. Instead of worrying about a useless indicator like PR I actually made SEO work for me with regard to relevant traffic. Please do not ever add any of my websites to your link farm network.
Really? you're the second person to say that, are you sure? IMO Toolbar Pagerank should be eliminated by Google so I agree with you on that one, then again I earn loads money from it. hahahaha. my own opinions on what I do are worth alot more to me than people that post on forums like this. I don't have to agree with anyone and nobody has to agree with me. This whole thread has been pointless, rude and insulting. Racist comments have even been made towards other members and I don't want to be part of that kind of atmosphere. I hold no grudges towards anyone. All the best.
I came across some of the directories in timur1505's network. Maybe I will do an experiment and list one of my sites to see how well these directories will help in improving the SERPs of the site in question.
He is complaining about me for this. He should read this and this to understand what is happening in the underground fake PR world. Not sure if this is called 'Birds of the same feather flock together'
You call Google a directory, and if we extrapolate using that logic (not faulting it for debate purposes), then wikipedia is also a directory, that is highly valued by Google. Why? Because it contains unique content. The directories that you are talking about that Google doesn't give a stuff about are the ones like yours that don't offer anything of any value. I will agree that literally 99% of directories fall into that category. What I won't agree on is that building unique content is a waste of time. To discourage it, in favour of your "let's make money by duping people" sham, is just downright ridiculous Errr the topic was how to increase sales for a paid directory. Creating a brand was one of the answers, and so far it's one of the best. It helps the original poster. They are a sole-owner and want to build their directory into something. A brand is the best way to achieve this. Completely on topic. Creating 70 link farms is completely off topic. Firstly, you don't own any directories. You are building link farms on a directory script. So your answers are a different idea altogether. These answer are of no use to the original poster, because they don't want to build 70 link farms containing junk content. Sure you make money, but you make money by being deceitful and offering people nothing of value. No one's jealous of that, they feel sorry for you. No one cares that you sell pagerank or think you are the hottest thing since sliced bread. Good on you, and more power to you. But when you enter a thread and spread the worse kind of disinformation based on a severe lack of knowledge, then you need to be corrected. And you have been. Why don't you take your opinion and scram. Return and post in a thread where your opinion will assist the original poster, instead of assisting your ego. If it needs inflating, go look in the mirror.
As Dan says: everybody. AMRAY Web Directory Benefits: - provides up to 10 backlinks - with over 70.000 pages in Google's Index it has every page including More Info, Review, Rate and even report broken link with links to owner's site - best detailed Wiki (you can only dream about) in More Info page - provides editorial integrity equal or better than DMOZ and BOTW has - doesn't use nofollow tag in free links - has all categories ranked PR 4 (LOL, just to impress you) - #1 page for the most common search terms in SERP I dare you to show better managed directory, and I'm not talking amongst your spam infested cesspool of 70 but on Internet in whole.