NON-BIBLICAL Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Should I believe that all Christians act, mock and think like you do? I'd bet your God taught you to be that way, right? You're just here to defend your book and that you're not open to any discussions. Grow up.

 

Here we go again... and you are not Stox, right? Which is better - stubborn or blind?


This thread is going to end up nowhere... people are going to believe what they WANT to believe, regardless of facts. Science was started out by people who believed there was a God. With Darwin, that changed. Looking at all of human history, most people have believed in God. If evolution was so all-encompassing, where have they been before Darwin? Science is pumping Darwin, and he only has guesses... hypothesis... no facts. He guessed. Even I can do that !


People believe what they want to believe.


Right now :

And... I am an American. Laterz...

 

The Philippines is 93% Christian - 5% Muslim and 2% are other.....

Cebu has great Christian heritage.

 

@Rukbat, you are coming late to this discussion, so you don't know that these concerns have already been comfortably addressed. I suggest you be considerate enough to read this thread from the beginning, instead of being lazy and asking us to waste time repeating these issues for your benefit alone.

BTW, "COMTEMPORANEOUS" is not a word. Are you looking for documents that show contempt? If you mean "contemporaneous" documentation, that was addressed in this thread long ago.

 

BTDT. "Made things up" isn't "comfortably addressed". Sure many people here and elsewhere (for many centuries, actually) have claimed that there's extra-Biblical evidence for the Biblical Jesus - but no one has ever presented any actual extra-Biblical evidence. Nor has anyone ever actually addressed the historical facts that contradict the Bible.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/contemporaneous

All you have is a typo flame?

Again, "make things up" != "addressed". There are no co*N*temporaneousaccounts of Jesus. Claiming that there are, without at least posting a link to a reference to a verified one is just you stamping your feet and screaming "is too".

If you want to discuss the matter in a scholarly manner, post some facts to back up your assertions. "It's been addressed" doesn't cut it. It doesn't even mark it.

 

@Rukbet, since you seem unwilling or too frightened to read this thread, allow me to re-post this:

Contemporaneous documentation (from the same period) already exists. However, documentation from during the time Jesus was on earth does not exist - if it did, it would be suspect - do you know why? The four Gospels meet the test for historical documents - do you know why?

"Contemporaneous" - You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm not sure what you mean by "extra-Biblical evidence". Before the Gospels were aggregated into the New Testament, they existed as historical documents. Just because they were put together and used as a centerpiece for a religion doesn't make them less historical, does it?

There exists more historical documentation that Jesus existed than Julius Caesar. But if I took all of Caesar's documentation, put it in a book, treated that book as if it were holy, and created a religion called "Caesarianism", would that suddenly make those historical documents not historical?

And, isn't the cultural evidence for Jesus' existence overwhelming?

 

You did not answer my question. Who did Josephus copy from ?


I am wagering this thread will never get anyone to change their belief. It is a thread doomed to just make people mad at each other. People believe what they want to believe. I predict that will kill any future purpose for this thread.

 

If I exclude them so-called 'non-practitioners' or 'casual' or whatever-you-call it followers of Christianity here in Cebu, or the majority of the Philippines for that matter, there would only be less than 10% of pure Christian devotees remaining.

 

Look! Evolution is happening !

[video=youtube;UvoS8rP-dH4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvoS8rP-dH4[/video]​

 

Tell me Grimm how do you sort out the "pure" Christians . Do you smelt them down and trow away the impure ? Do you use a cleansing algorithm ? Or do you consider that those who sin are no longer Christians ? Because in case you forgot humans are imperfect and prone to mistakes . This is why we Christians have a little thing called confession . You know just in case you allow yourself to be human .

 

This made me smile during my morning coffee

I can't wait to hear about Grimm's smelting process...

 

pure christian is somebody who goes to his lair regularly and pays up tithe/donation or whatever his preacher wants. In some christian churches, anal and oral sex accepted as donations, especially from those who don't have much money, like children

 

So how did you used to pay ?

 

While I do agree with what your point is, committing sin isn't the case here. What I pointed out was the 'non-practitioners' or those people who are only Christians by name. Do I really have to stress out the fact that I pretty much know more about my country than you do? or are you a Filipino as well?

Then again, an argument over this won't really be necessary since we'll just talk about based on experiences.

 

The OP has left the building...

 

O.K., I see your point. You are making a distinction between practicing Christians and others.

To me, a practicing Christian is someone who prays. An example of a non-practicing Christian is when I once asked a girl "What religion are you?" and she answered, "I think we're Lutheran".

 

What made you think I am a zombie follower ? You won't deny that Jesus was the first zombie, won't you

 

THAT WOMAN IS NOT CHRISTIAN!!! She let the devil inside of her. I sincerely hope you did not sin with her, since your god will roast you on a stick forever if you will. Also, any devout Christian who has any respect for the Bible will have to stone you to death, you won't be safe anywhere, here or in any other world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lORCuR84-_8

 

Hmmm.....

 

Eeew, that video is from the "muslimsince2003" YouTube channel. The channel exists to post crap about Christians, and try to convert every one to Islam. They probably stole that video from someone else, who made it as a joke.