NON-BIBLICAL Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

No one here is a Christian. So, I am assuming you were directing the above to me? So :

What if I just flat out refuse? What if I just let you remain in your ignorance? Why should I put up with someone who would not listen to six different people when they tell him the same thing about the same event? For you Stox... I will answer ONE question. You choose the question. Remember? I will do what I want.


Waiting..........



John Sanford

 

As I said earlier, either you are blind or YOU DON'T WANT to see

Who made those 65 mil y o metallic tubes?

Originally Posted by zmescience.com:
For example, a fossil of a human handprint was found in limestone estimated to be more than 110 million years, a fossilized human finger with just as much, and the aparent discovery of a human footprint that possibly sported a sandal which dates to more than 300 million years ago. These amazing fossilized imprints/remains have left the scientific community scratching their collective heads. Not to mention the 65 million year old semi-ovoid metallic tubes being dug out of France, the unusual block of coal discovered 124 years ago which contained a metal cube that couldn’t have formed naturally within the lump, and many more such things

 

Evolution = a universal common ancestor = humans evolved from animals = humans are animals = no spiritual immortality (because we are animals) = the holy books (including your Quran) are wrong = no creation = God does not exist = a lie fabricated by evolution scientists because they are atheists and have an agenda to get rid of religion

Are you a Muslim or not? seems you are not.

 

It doesn't come as a surprise to me how religion can blind people from science. I'd bet that they believe Santa Claus exists too.

It's also quite amusing how one rejects the possibility of evolution but accepts the holy book of someone else's.

 

Evolution is not science, it's a fairy tale, and it can be easily refuted by TRUE science. Humans are definitely not evolved from animals. Humans evolved from humans, animals evolved from animals, and God is behind the creation of the universe or the big bang (if it happened) end of story.

 

DNA Evidence. LINK

 

You brought up a good point. You know what happens when you teach children that they came from monkeys? They start acting like monkeys...

Are we off topic or what...?

 

Teach them that millions of years ago they may have looked like monkeys but they were never actually monkeys

 

Taking stock of where we are at here:

• Stox has joined in, proving to be quite knowledgeable on the subject of evolution, but still unable to complete a post without some vitriol and personal insults
• Blue Star remains unconvinced, chosing instead to accept any alternative explanation to both Evolution and Warming phenomena over the idea the earth is warming, or that Evolution is a reality
• Angelic has become quite a bit less Angelic, opting to scream her(?) posts out in a 30pt font.

@Bluestar: Considering we are looking at data that could change what we know about the Theory of Relativity, I think its safe to say that there will always be data that causes us to retest our hypothosis. It is all part of the process, as are the scientists with dissenting opinions, who work to support their dissent with facts. As Stox points out, more often than not, the anomalies in the data, once thorougly studied, turn out to reinforce what we already know, rather than disprove it. Sometimes, they help to enhance our understanding, as Einstein enhanced Newtons laws.

So let me be the first to say, I am 100% willing to be a believer evolution has it wrong, 9-11 was an inside job, or anything else, when the opponents can produce more convincing evidence than the propponents. And no, one scientist(I know there are more) holding out is not going to cut it.

Let me also point out, since you brought it up, that extinction of the human species could easily be part of the evolutionary process.

You were doing really well with your chain of logic, up until you equated humans being animals to the impossibilty of spiritual immortality. The fact humans are animals, we know. Spiritual immortality, on the other hand, is a matter of faith. When it comes to these types of matters, not all Muslims believe the same things, just as not all Christians believe the same things.

I know you are probably thinking, any Christian that does not believe as you is not a christian, or any Muslim that believes as me is not a Muslim. I notice you even went so far as to preach to me about blasphemy. This thinking actually highlights one of the major differences between Muslims raised in the US, and Muslims raised in certain parts of the Middle East. Here in the US, Muslims are not stoned to death for "blasphemy". There are other differences of course. Muslim clerics in Iran have issued Fatwa's declaring it ok to have sex with animals. Others say killing innocents is god's will. If I say these things are wrong, they (and perhaps you) would call me a blasphemer.

My point is, the truth is the truth, regardless of whether some narrow minded idiot's translation of a holy text (yours or mine) disagrees with it. Worrying about what someone told you not to study, or not to say is a terrific way to stay ignorant.

 

I could care less if anything is still a hypothesis. A hypothesis is a guess, in fact the word "guess" is synonymous with the word hypothesis. I want facts, cold hard facts. I want something I can run with. I want to be able to show people and explain it easily
and have them see it the first time. Something shrouded in "maybe it was a billion years ago" just wont do when there is so much evidence that no "billions of years" have existed. LINK

Right, but we live in the here and now. I work with facts, as I said, something I can run with.

Then could we talk about this? : LINK

Then can we agree it maybe should be called "devolving", because the DNA record shows man is not improving. I could agree with that. The "evolution" word, as used, means "advancing". That, advancing, is not happening.

 

Genesis says God created man in His image (immortal soul), which separates us from all other creatures. You are not an animal. Wake up.

 

what separates us from other animals is intelligence.

 

Like Evolution, the theory of relativity is a lot more than just a hypothesis. There are hundreds of thousands of dead folk from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that serve as a testament to that fact. Our understanding of it may improve or even change, but for today, here, now, it is as much of a fact as gravity, whether you can explain it easily or not.

Stages of the Scientific Method

Absolutely! Just as soon as you can get more than 10% of the scientific community to agree with the findings of your blog site. Moving the information from extreme minority opinion, to just a minority opinion would be enough to get me to spend time looking at it. Conversely, when man made global warming changes from a simple majority to an extreme majority, I will be paying it more credence as well. I'm not a scientist so I cant spend all day doing the research myself, just like I don't build my own cars, or construct my own personal electronics.

e·volve /iˈvälv/

1. Develop gradually, esp. from a simple to a more complex form: "the Gothic style evolved steadily and naturally from the Romanesque".
2. Develop over successive generations, esp. as a result of natural selection.

Extinction, natural selection at work, assuming something survives.

I like the parenthesis around the words "immortal soul", which you obviously added to the genesis account to satisfy your needs in this discussion. It reminds me of another bible passage, perhaps one you are familiar with.

By the way, "Animal" is a scientific categorization, not a religious or spiritual one. People don't read scientific text to study spiritual matters, so why are you trying to use the bible as a science book?

 

what a pile of junk. you know sometimes you have the option of just not posting constant bull$#!&

 

"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."

Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

Denial. Its where you live. How is your protest of the America going? Managed to stir up any violence?

 

It's all clear now. You spend your entire day trolling around random forums and copy past whatever bogus stuff you find from one forum to another.

Khomeini died in 1989. Tahrirolvasyleh, doesn't have a forth volume. lol. Doesn't even have a third volume.

 

How very curious. Is it common practice for you to assume the people you are talking to are ignorant, or is that something that develops from talking to people at Occupy Wall Street? Seriously, why would you imply the Kohmeini who died in 89 was the only Ayatollah Khomeini, when in fact the Ayatollah Khomeini is the current supreme leader of Iran.

The quote is also legit. Read it from the source if you like.

http://www.wilayah.org/arabi/ahkam/tahrir/index.htm

 

You are seriously delusional. Just read the link you put yourself. Current supreme leaders name is Khamenei NOT Khomeini. Khomeini died in 1989. Two different people. two different names neither of which has issued a fatwa that people can have sex with animals. lol

This is fun

I am dying to see a link to the quote itself indeed.

 

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Tahrir-ol-vasyleh

 

That site's credibility is as much as yours (none). It's a MFA site designed for cheating on school papers. Here is their message on homepage:

They don't even post a reference to the supposed chapter of the supposed volume either (just as you cant find one).

It's ok sometimes to admit you've made a mistake