If you really want that proof you can get it. I doubt that you're a real seeker of truth, but who knows? - things, people can change but not the manifestation of God in the Scriptures.
Actually that would be an interesting experiment if you could quote the NT without relying on Thessalonians, Romans, Acts, etc. Or in other words, the Pauline epistles. - MENJ
Paul was an Apostel and not a prophet in that sence you understand it. In the new testament and through the Holy Spirit various gifts are given, including the gifts of Prophecy. These prophecies are special gifts to many believers, not all, to prophecy according through the manifestation of God written in the Scriptures. Any prophecies that aren't backed by the scriptures are clearly the work of the Antichrist. By the fruits we know, again.
Menj, stop arguing about evidences that Jesus rose from the dead or things alike. Do you have any evidence to what Islam tries to teach us? Neither you nor Andie can prove many things Islam and Christianity claim, so do not think you are wise cause the other doesnt have proofs, you too have none of them. Andie, no I didnt mean it as a trick. First of all, be sure that I am not against you here, I know it couldve sounded so during the posts but I am not. I am serious in asking you to prove things to me. Ive read bibles in English, Spanish, and Arabic. Just like the Koran, most of the teachings are loving and could make the world a better place, but then I still have no answers for things that really are imporant to me. I really am seeking, and I am hoping that God really takes me the right way. Thing is, whenever I ask people from any religion to prove things to me, the answer is always ''it takes too long and I cant provide everything for you, go search for it yourself and youll find out.'' I have been searching, but the scriptures, the Koran, and the Torah gave me no answers. It really is important for me to find out the right way, if there is any. Can you help? Can anybody? I just think that if you do not have strong evidences that your religion is the way to go, then you really do not think about things.
I'm glad that you said that you're are really seeking and I can tell you that there is only one helper this time, which is the Holy Spirit, to help you to communicate with God directly. At least you need one person (believer) in agreement as a wittness and to be a church to start with. Remember, Jesus said, it shall be done in heaven and on earth when we follow his instruction. You need to directly address God, Jesus and confess your sins, ask for forgiveness in the name of Jesus, you then can talk whatever is in your heart, I guarantee, you'll get reply in words and deeds, even miracles if neccessary to overcome certain obstacles. Use your own words, moaning or whatsoever, God knows what's in your heart and will understand you. He loves You and will look at you as your Child, he will adopt you and you can call God, Father God or just father. Remember Jesus said, you shall do the same as I did, even more. Why? Because he had a limited time to free us from our sins and to put us in rightstanding with God. Draw from him, he will freely give it to you and let us know your testimonials then. Don't forget you will have from the very moment two Angels in charge over you and for your protection. In the name of Jesus, amen.
Well since he believed that he was sent directly by "Jesus" and that he preached the foundations of the doctrine that made Jesus God; and since you believe that Jesus is God, that would make Paul somewhat of a "Prophet" sent by God by stretching it a little. It would be interesting to see which of the many competing versions of the Bible can be considered as "Scripture" by this definition. Which makes one ask the question again: which "scripture"? I could not agree more. - MENJ
Greetings to you. I am a Muslim by the way, so I have no interest in arguing for the fiction that Jesus (peace be upon him) ever "rose from the dead", since we Muslims believe that he was never crucified at the cross and hence he certainly never "died". Would be interesting to know what kind of answers you are seeking. The truth may be nearer to you than you would think. That is all well and good. Insha'allah those who seek Him shall find Him soon enough. - MENJ
If someone would have told that to Mr M before he got started with all his nonsense we would all be better off.
The contents of the books themselves show that they were no part of Scripture. The Old Testament Apocrypha consists of fourteen books, the chief of which are the Books of the Maccabees (q.v.), the Books of Esdras, the Book of Wisdom, the Book of Baruch, the Book of Esther, Ecclesiasticus, Tobit, Judith, etc. The New Testament Apocrypha consists of a very extensive literature, which bears distinct evidences of its non-apostolic origin, and is utterly unworthy of regard. I know menj that for you it's hard to understand because you're not seeking the truth. You're one of these folks who would even claim that the NYT were taken out of the New Testament. You'd better give up. Your lie propagandas are not working and show even more of you kithmans.
I'm sure the Catholics would beg to differ. Since I never made such a claim, therefore I would suggest that you are guilty of an attempt to "poison the well". That, by the way, is a logical fallacy. Strawman. You were the one coming here claiming that your so-called "infallible" book is Scripture, with no evidence whatsoever. I am just the guy who pointed out to you how flawed that premise is. - MENJ
You are a hypocrite at its best. But thanks for revealing it to everyone. Note: the catholics are on the way back and are in the process of ironing out their mistakes. And if this is a proof to you, because there were other books and writers at these times, doesn't mean that all was and is scripture of the Holy God. It is as if you claim to include the NYT into the New Testament or others, you can chose. There were guys like you at work these times allready.
Gee, not really sure what you mean by that but I can imagine the foaming at your mouth All the more reason to reject the Bible and yet another additional blow to your sola scriptura doctrine. The question remains, on what basis are these books considered as "scripture" when there were different canons at different places and different times, each of them considered as "scripture" by their respective communities? After all, the Ethiopians have their own Bible, so do the Protestants, the Armenians, the Catholics, etc. And the list goes on.... If only the Protestant "scripture" is correct, then where does that leave the other canons? A question that need answering and yet you insist on name-calling. Oh, well. - MENJ
Because the canons are in the roman catechism and not in the scriptures. The catechism was used and is still used as their Bible, though the trend is going downwards now. The roman catholic church tried to forbid the scriptures and persecuted everyone refering to it. The others who are using wrong interpretations are of catholic offspring and kept the basic of catechism which was the only translation that time, even that is changing now.
Reject the Bible? Trust me, you do NOT want me stepping into this convo to defend the faith. I will do so mercilessly and destroy everything you ever thought you believed. Respect is a two way street.
You won't change his thinking. Not one bit. And he won't change yours. Funny thing about the world, eh?
I would love to see you try that. You are certainly underestimating what I know about the Bible. And two can play the same game. - MENJ