Prophet or Murderer?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by angellica2017, Nov 1, 2006.

  1. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #121
    You really dont see.

    Okay I guess I am talking with someone who is somehow challenged, like talking to religious guy from Saudia Arabia. I tell him I dont dislike him, but he is still 'fighting' to show that I am a liar.

    Let me try to explain things one by one. It maybe easier this way. It seems that you do not read whole posts. Its fine, some people dont have the time to.

    1- I believe in the real Islam. Just like I believe in Christianity and Judaism. All came up with great teachings, but offer me no concrete answers for many things and they all have meaningless teachings as well.

    2- When I say I am undecided now, its because I am. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism dont give me concrete answers to any thing. Its not because of terrorism that I dont practice Islam now, but because of things like heaven and hell and what happens after death. I know Islam doesnt promote that. Now, Id like to be Christian if someone gives me concrete answers. Can you prove to me that God exists? And that hell and heaven do as well?

    If you are able to answer these questions without making me laugh, Ill convert to Christianity. Thing is: All religions promote stupidity, and ask you to believe because 'it is the right thing.' Any Muslim can prove Muhammad did the miracles they say he did? And Christian proving the miracles of Jesus? Or a Jew proving what Moses did?

    Please stop talking about credibility and read the whole posts. Again, I do not dislike you, I just think its sad that people are promoting hate and misunderstanding.
     
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    save-a-family Peon

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    #122
    Yes I am a descendant of the family of Muhammad. Want to see my family tree? I anyway believe that all religions have good teachings, but they all are works of fiction. None provide solid answers.

    Prove me wrong please. Consider me a Christian the moment you do.
     
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #123
    Think about this way

    Every religion faces problems and must try to get over it and most religions somehow manage it.

    The only religion that doesn't face any problems is islam. Yeah, huraay you think. Wait a minute ...

    Why?

    Because it is the problem.

    And as it is said, "by their fruits I'll know them".
    Furthermore at the end there will be only one, guess who?
     
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    save-a-family Peon

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    #124
    What are you talking about?!

    Can you please reply to the post? Can you prove to me that your beliefs are right?

    Oh and please, I dont want to be guessing. Look above: Concrete answers.
     
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  5. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #125
    Because it is the problem. - Islam

    You still feel a clump in your stomache when reading something which is against islam.

    Get over it, make yourself free and then you can think the next step.
     
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    ThisGoatStarves Peon

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    #126
    I'll put my money on either the Atheists, Hindus or Buddhists.

    Elephants and Lobsters have a pretty good chance of surviving to the end too.
     
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  7. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #127
    You forgot the crocodiles :D where's the money
     
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    ThisGoatStarves Peon

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    #128
    Ah yes I forgot about the old crocs. Although then again I've heard they are quite tasty and are becoming a local delicacy in certain parts of the world.

    Alright maybe now it's off topic!
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #129
    Sigh, too bad that the elephants tend to commit suicide when under stress and pressure and they do it in a clandstine style.
    Lobster are way to sensitive to survive when it gets narrow on this planet. ;)
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #130
    Ohh, before you post...

    What about goats?
     
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  11. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #131
    Moses
    Joshua
    David
    Solomon

    - MENJ
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #132
    Don't involve me in your petty disputes. If you have something to say, then reply to the rebuttal about the Crusades where you repeat the propaganda of your pseudo-monotheistic faith.

    - MENJ
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #133
    Right, and the new testament prophets?
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #134
    Well he never "died" in the first place, so boo hoo.

    - MENJ
     
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  15. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #135
    Who told you?
    muhammad a murderer, pedophile and thief?
     
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    #136
    Goats are always hungry.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #137
    Female goats are called does. Male goats are called bucks. We primarily raise does because they are easier to manage, they don't have an offensive odor (unlike bucks), and there are more shows for does. A male goat that has been neutered is known as a wether. We usually don't keep dairy goat wethers, but some kids raise and show pygmy wethers. Other domesticated goats include Boer goats that are starting to be raised for meat, Cashmere goats that are raised for cashmere and Nigerian Dwarf goats. Domesticated goats differ from wild goats such as Mountain goats

    Sounds of goats :D

    All Purpose Goat Bleat (LaMancha) . This sound means just about anything, usually "hi" or "feed me." Alpines, Saanens, Toggenburgs and Oberhaslis sound about the same. Note: If you play it back at twice the speed, it sounds like a dolphin.
    All Purpose Pygmy Goat Bleat .
    All Purpose Nubian Goat . Nubians always sound like they are complaining about something.
    Nubian Goat Kid . Even Nubian Kids can be loud.
    Nubian Goat in heat . It's usually easy to detect a Nubian does in heat due to her louder than normal bleat. While other goats may be vocal during heat, only Nubians seems to get this carried away.
    Goat Buck(Nubian) . A buck interested in a doe will make a distinctive call that we've name "blubbing." There probably is a technical term.
    Goat Doe and then Buck(Nubian) . This Nubian doe is calling to a buck.
    Pygmy goat calling for its kids
    Pygmy Goat Kid Looking for its mother When we sell a single goat kid to someone to keep in their backyard, they occasionally call later that night asking to return it because it won't stop bleating. Just play this sound about 1000 times to get the general idea. The solution to this problem is to buy two goats. Goats are herd animals and really like company and they are quiet when they are happy.
    I'm a sheep . Sheep really sound much different than goats. We don't like when people confuse goats for sheep.
    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pazzani/4H/Goats.html
     
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    #138
    And now you know what my personal feelings are? Great... Is it God talking to me?

    I feel a clumb when people accuse Islam of everything? Definitely, as I think all religions are to be blamed. Whenever a follower really gets brain-washed by them, they listen to nothing else. Take you for example. I do feel a clumb in the somache when I see people like you or Menj accusing the other religion and thinking theirs is the best. Both of you are lost.

    So, will you provide any proofs and answer my posts or will you keep asking me to guess and free a mind you think is not free?

    I wonder who is being 'tricky' here.

    Oh and please, you should at least answer one of the questions I asked you in the last posts. Lets start with the easiest: How old are you?
     
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    #139
    Take your time and study the scriptures. Give a little prayer to God and ask to help you to understand.
    If you expect me to answer all these questions it would take too long and I think a board like this is not suitable for this, since everything can be only stated in short sentences and paragraphs.

    Sorry, to dissapoint you, whether you meant it as a trick to ask the impossible at this point or even honestly, - it's up to you, - if you really seek you'll find.

    I'm sure there are Bibles in your native language available in Spain. If you can't find any, let me know I'll organize one for you.

    Why I say that? Well, because I've nothing to add or take away from the scriptures. Stick with the source.
     
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  20. Ibn Juferi

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    #140
    I see, so this is what Paul taught you. Call people names? Regardless, if you have evidence that Jesus "rose from the dead" without relying on your corrupted Bible, lets see it then.

    - MENJ
     
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