Prophet or Murderer?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by angellica2017, Nov 1, 2006.

  1. sami

    sami Peon

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    #81
    I'm a muslim, does it mean that i am a terrorist?:confused:

    yes, our prophet liked boys, but not the way that you are talking about:eek: . He used to be kind and friendly to them.

    He didn't used to have a dog:cool:, where did you get that from???!!!;)
     
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  2. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #82
    I really hope you get to learn one day. Where do you get your information from? If you are talking about liking boys and having sexual relationships with them, many can argue with you that Christianity promotes that. Haven't we all heard about many priests having sex with kids? If I had 1% of the ignorance that is making your life more difficult, this would indicate for me that Christianity promotes having sex with kids. I, however, am far more educated than a person who would think so. Please open up your mind. While ignorant people in Muslim countries hurt me, those who live in Europe, the US, and any other modern country KILL ME. You've got all the resources that can help you be tolerant, understanding, and more educated. Why not use them and be a human?

    I am an 18 years old Iraqi boy. I live in Spain right now. At the age of 16, I had gotten a scholarship to study in the US for 10 months. I then came to Spain, where I now live alone, with all my family members still living in Iraq.

    It breaks my heart to see people posting around claiming that Islam asks you to kill and is intolerant. I, to make things clear, do not believe in any religion for the moment, but I do believe in one God. The reason why I believe in non now is people like you my friends, and those are the majority of people. What good does it do you running around saying that you are the best because you are Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, or a PlayBoy follower? Do you really think before judging others? Do you realise that all religions promote peace and love, but all have some parts that do not make any sense? Do you value humans? Do you realise that understanding others and judging them according to the good or bad they do to you is the only just way to judge? I am seeing many Christians here posting about how Radical Islam is and about 'A Koran that encourages murder.' Anybody else noticing the posts here are also radical? They are so radical that I wouldnt differentiate them from Al-Qaida members if I didnt read this here. Anybody realising that this only make things worse? Anybody noticing that hatred is being practiced by most posters here? Anybody wondering why someone who has an access to all the information, and who lives in a free country, could act like that? Most Muslims nowadays are backwarded. They are unuducated, and that is why they are easily manipulated by evil 'leaders.' That, however, comes from a badly formed culture, not religion. I do not believe in Islam now for the sole reason of not having concrete answers for things like what will happen after we die, and how to prove that heaven or hell exist. Answers that the other religions can't provide me with neither. If I had to chose a religon now, I wouldnt hesitate before chosing Islam. The REAL Islam, not the Islam of Osama Bin Laden, does believe in Jews, Christians, and orders you to respect them. Guys, what is happening nowadays is the problem of cultures, not religions. But again; Who can give solid proofs that religions are from God and that cultures have nothing to do with them? Nobody I know of. The intolerance and the biased opinions I am seeing all around do certainly not prove so.

    During the last 100 years, humans, especially in countries like the US and in Europe, have passed a long way in understanding others and living with them peacefully. Sadly, this formation does nowadays seem to be falling, and I blame you for being part of that. During the last 100 years, some people came and tried to teach us what humanity could mean. That we could live together and love each other. Why dont you take from that and try to undersrand others and live better? Why is this hatred?

    Please, please take a moment and think. Please take a moment to realise that most people where I come from have nothing against you, and they are Muslims. Please take a moment to realise that most of my people admire what some westerners have offered humanity during the last 200 years. Please take a moment to realise that a normal Muslim woman, who comes to the US admiring a developed culture and people who have worked hard to advance, gets her heart broken when she is badly looked at just because of her head cover. And yes, that's a a human heart: Something you should care about.

    I am expecting my mom to come here to Spain for medical reasons soon. She is a person who, I swear in whoever God you believe in, is more tolerant than you. Yet, I know for a fact that people will devalue her and look badly at her just because she wears a headcover.

    Is it that hard to be human? Is it that hard for you to understand a person tanner, whiter, shorter, or taller than you? If we, the ones who have resources and have a free life, do not tolerate others and think like animals; Why should you expect misled and wrongfully informed people under the regimes of presidents like Ahmed Nijadi to respect you?

    Shame on you.
     
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  3. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #83
    Man you are a real scum bag, I'm sure people that know you in real life understand that completely!

    I knew that just from a few of your first posts here though!
     
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  4. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #84
    He's never had a bad word for terrorists. In fact, he goes out of his way to make sure he never says a bad word about them. Only Christians and Americans.
     
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  5. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #85
    It is hard to stop the pathological lies GTech, I understand, I had a friend with mental illness like that when I was younger, I completely understand! :eek:
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #86
    I have no doubts you completely understand about mental illnesses ;)
    In fact, I would consider you a foremost expert in the field through extensive personal experience!

    Another failed opportunity. Instead, you could have said a bad word about a terrorist, but passed once again. Only Christians and Americans.

    Could you make the pattern any more clear?
     
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  7. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #87
    One of the more ridiculous nonsense that I've heard today thus far. The Crusades were not "defensive", they were expansionist. This has already been discussed here.

    - MENJ
     
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  8. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #88
    Menj, One of the more ridiculous nonsense is true.
    Do some neutral stufy on it and don/t look at those which fits your agenda.

    Here Sami says
    I'm a muslim, does it mean that i am a terrorist?

    Sami, you are likely not a terrorist, - perhaps not yet, - or never will. But look at the fact that terrorists go to mosques, maybe to yours too.

    We know for certain that it starts in mosques and we don't have the access needed to check it better.
    This is a muslim job, but it seems there's to much support for them and so you guys leave them in peace.
     
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  9. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #89
    The references which support the statement are there in the article for all to see, unlike your sweeping statements which conforms to a certain agenda/worldview/propaganda/ideology :D

    - MENJ
     
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  10. angellica2017

    angellica2017 Peon

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    #90
    Out of points... gimme a list of Bible's prophets who kill person!
     
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  11. angellica2017

    angellica2017 Peon

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    #91
    What about khalifah?
     
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  12. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #92
    Perhaps not yet?! How do you feel right talking to a human being like this? How can you generalize like any brain-washed tribe-following person living in a poor Taliban-supporting village in Pakistan? Don't you feel so darn low doing so?


    ''We know for a fact that it starts in moques and we don't have the access needed to check it better.''


    Do you know anything at all? I surely don´t think so when looking at your posts. Should we now say that we know for a fact that child molesters start in Churches? You are ignorant my friend, and terrorists start from ignorance and build up to beheading innocent people, like my uncle.

    Who the heck are you to devalue the lives of my uncle and tens of thousands of Iraqis, who are mostly Muslims? What the heck have you offered to this world to now come and ignorantly talk about things you can not even understand? How do Muslims support this when the main target of this beyond criminal terrorists are Muslims themselves? Do you know that when an American soldier gets killed in a car bomb attack in Iraq, an average of a 100 Iraqis get killed with him? Or is that not a fact you like?

    If you keep generalizing, hating, and devaluing the lives of people that you only dream of being like, Westerners and Muslims, you are just as disgusting and brain-washed as any car-bomber or beheader. And those, for your information, have killed members of my family. It makes me absolutely sick that you, a nonsense talker, come here and talk like you know better than anybody else, including those who lost lives for the beheading criminals.

    Make an effort to be a human being. Make an effort to understand, it is the only way to be understood. Make an effort to love instead of hate, the results are far better. Make an effort to work with the normal Muslims to effectively fight those terrorists. Make an effort to understand that more Muslims are getting killed than any other religion followers by those terrorists. And again, make an effort to be a human being.
     
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  13. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #93
    Hello Angellica,

    I am not sure what do you mean in Khalifah here. You could be referring to someone, or to the Khalifahs who were the leaders of Muslims after the death of the prophet. Ill go for the second one.

    The Khalifahs did kill. The real Islam was killed in its infancy. The Khalifas killed the family of the Prophet just a short while after his death, and those who had control before Islam came, who were definitely criminals, took control again. This time, they claimed they are Muslims and their sick behaviour got attached to Islam.

    The Khalifas went around killing those who were against them in the name of Islam. They occupied territories in countries like Spain and killed people in the name of Islam, and Islam has nothing to do with what they did.

    I am an Arab, but I knowledge that the Arabs history is nothing to be proud of. The racist Arabs who had control before the Prophet, whose ideas are exactly the ones the Prophet came to be against, are the same ones who took control after his death, killing his family and loyal followers, and going around killing in the name of a religion they themselves killed.

    What is happening in Muslim countries now is not the result of the teachings of Islam, but the result of a badly-formed culture. Nowadays, however, most people are ones that want to live peacefully, so you can not say all Arabs or Islam followers are terrorists, that just makes you as ignorant as some of them.

    So yeah, the Khalifas did kill, you´re question does absolutely have a point.
     
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  14. save-a-family

    save-a-family Peon

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    #94
    Angellica I do not think you will get your list. Who do you think would provide it to you, Andy or Menj?! Look at their posts, they tell a lot about them.
     
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  15. ThisGoatStarves

    ThisGoatStarves Peon

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    #95
    Sorry to interrupt but since when have Christians been on the side of reason?

    I've lost my faith in humanity.

    The invisible man in the sky is coming for us all! Whatever next?? Pink, blue and burgundy pigeons from El Salvador with teeth the size of guitar necks?
     
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  16. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #96
    Save a family
    every loss of live is a tragedy

    Why do Iraqis kill each other? Tell me what is peaceful about that.Think about the religions, who is involved?
    Yes, and we have video proof of harmless "mosques" talking s, planning and later on executing in violent styles probably. I don't have the link at hand at the moment, but if I find it I'll let you know.

    we are discussing islam and question it and so far there is no peace in sight.

    And to make it clear again, it's not the religion of peace as so many claim.

    and when I say terrorists go to mosques then why are people not observed and challenged in a way they will act peacefully. That is something muslims have to clear, nobody else can do that for them and you. - It must come from within.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #97
    the Bible says lets reason together, but you never read that, right?
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #98
    When western women go to muslim countries, at least in most countries it is so, then they must wear a veil.
    You're talking about tolerance?
    Your mom can come here for medical reason and is welcome and will be threatened well and taxpayers (people) will pay the bills. I don't think when Europe would have these troubles that people could go to arab countries. So tell me where is more tolerance to find.

    And if she adjusts to western style, nothing wrong. Europe has a culture too and a better one than islam culture can ever have.
     
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    ThisGoatStarves Peon

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    #99
    Ah right, this is all about oneupmanship isn't it? I've read the Bible yeah and I enjoyed it for what it is - fiction. It wasn't as good as Catcher In The Rye though (the power of brevity in action....).

    "Let's reason together"

    You've lost me.
     
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  20. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #100
    Your choice ;)
     
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