Meta titles - how if the title tag is paramount?

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  1. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #21

    what is this? a trial? are you going to send me your lawyers?

    take it easy man...
     
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  2. csutoras

    csutoras Peon

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    #22
    Not excited. I was going to help and look at it and try to explain why it happened.
     
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  3. mako

    mako Guest

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    #23
    my DC shows slightly different results, anyway,
    probably you will be able to beat that link if you get fair
    backlinks. in this case go for quantity more than quality.
    first of all try the arbuz.com.ru and zona.zspb.ru as they do it (IMO, the yare russian, so you have no significant chance in thsese local .ru domains).
     
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  4. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #24
    OK. there you go then:

    prueba-de-adn.com

    keywords: pruebas paternidad exactas

    just checked, page 3 at bottom in google
     
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  5. csutoras

    csutoras Peon

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    #25
    Well i will say there is not a meta tag at all on the page except the <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="content-type"> which does nothing.

    I will also note that the reason you are showing up for that term on page 4 is due to the limited competition, 1 of the words in the URL, 2 of the words you searched are in the Title, Header tag, and text.

    The entire site is basically screaming the exact terms you are searching.

    You have maybe 29,000 possible matches on the web period for those three terms.

    So basically it is showing up because you made the entire focus of the page be for that term. If that is what you intended then you are golden.

    If you built some backlinks for that term and added about 400 additional words to your main page and a few sub pages related and i am sure you can get higher than 3rd page.

    The only think keeping you from page 1 is age or url and back links. You get that and you will soar to the top.

    But this post is about Meta and you indicated you did not search for words in your title but rather words in your Meta. Yet you did search terms in your title, url, header, and text and have no meta tags.
     
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  6. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #26
    I guess I assumed we were referring to everything within HEAD as meta. So TITLE is relevant indeed?
     
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  7. csutoras

    csutoras Peon

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    #27
    Yes..

    actually title is not part of the meta.. it is right after it.. And it is probably, in my opinion, one of the most important on page tags.

    Anything meta has to have the meta in the beginning..

    But with that niche you should go and check the directories section on this forum. Submit to some of the PR4 and PR5 directories that allow free submission.

    Do a few a day and you can prolly get higher.

    Also note that google tends to give all new pages a good run for about a month for some reason. After that you might see yourself disappear and then have to wait to build back in.

    Also build a few more pages and add more related text. It looks like a MFA page.. Made for Adsense and that is against their TOS and it can cause you to get penalized.
     
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  8. kh7

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    #28
    I do use meta-tags (key-words) here and there, but I agree that for google they are not essential.
    Meta-description on the other hand also won't get you a higher rating (in google), but will make the page stand out, if all the other pages only have snippets from the text.
    The title-tag is essential - I totally agree with CSUTORAS on that.
     
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  9. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

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    #29
    sure. it is just the parked domain. I'll be redirecting to the real site, that looks like this: http://www.pruebaadn.com

    cheers
     
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  10. csutoras

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    #30
    Being a parked page in mind doesnt do much when you flag the bots.

    Your site is being indexed by media bot if you have the adsense code and it can flag and cost you dearly.

    Just be cautious.
     
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  11. wizardofx

    wizardofx Well-Known Member

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    #31
    I have seen well-ranked sites that don't have meta tags.
    But I find it hard to believe that the search engines don't consider
    meta tags. Especially when they are short and highly
    relevant to the page.

    They will often include meta-tag data when displaying
    the search results.

    HOWEVER, stuffing meta tags hasn't worked for years. I
    expect that the shorter the tag the more credibility it has
    with the search engines

    best regards
    wiz
     
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  12. csutoras

    csutoras Peon

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    #32
    removed by author
     
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  13. Black_Hand

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    #33
    Search engines do consider meta tags...specially meta keywords.

    Many search engine still relies on this meta keywords completely. However Google mostly look at back links and the Domain name itself.

    If your domain name has your keyword then high likely you are going to rank well in Google.
     
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  14. jaguar-archie2006

    jaguar-archie2006 Banned

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    #34
    meta title are still important even where not talking about SE's.
     
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  15. mobilebay

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    #35
    hmmm a lot to consider here, my main question is would you repeat your kws in your title tag or not, if you would how many times, i am aware each title has to be different however if i was writing a page title for bottles, would itbe wiser to put bottle in once twice or more times in the title tag, and will this result penalisation or not matter either way?

    ;)
     
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  16. Multilingual

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    #36
    I will argue this point with you :)

    Meta tags for Google is a waste of time, but...

    links from other directories can help serps on Google and...

    many of the minor directories crawl the meta tags for their indexing, so...

    to get into certain directories you need to have meta tags, which means...

    using meta tags helps ranking on Google.

    QED :cool:

    You can't just dismiss meta tags just because the big engines don't read them. Getting listed in directories is all part of the off page SEO that is so important.

    Every little helps, even for complete losers like me ;)

    JB
     
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  17. csutoras

    csutoras Peon

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    #37
    I have seen it both ways.

    I personally never repeat keywords in my title. If i do need to repeat the word i try to make sure it has a few words in between.

    In your question it is related to selling bottles.

    I would not waste your time repeating the word. You will not show up higher by repeating your focus twice or three times in the title. What is important when it comes to repitition is to use it in the Title, Description, Header, and Text. Doing this is where it would pay off.

    In the Title focus on additional related help terms like.. If your selling tall bottle or antique bottles. The descriptive words are going to help you get results when people search more specifc.

    Again none of the rules of SEO are ever clear cut and exact. There are many factors and it takes multiple rules being broken or used correctly to reach a result.

    However i will state again it is my experience and also through conversation with other SEOs that there is no gain to using the keyword over and over in the Title. Each word is seen as a single and as a combination if you say it once or three times.
     
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  18. mobilebay

    mobilebay Active Member

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    #38
    Oki doki , basically my title tags and meta kws were quite heavily repeated, and just wanted clarification that removing the kws and repitition wouldn't make my spages drop like a stone,. I know they shouldn't but i know weirder things that have happened, Im doing a mojor overhaul of tittle tages on 140 pages plus so want to duble check my rankings won't disappear - csutoras cheers mate
     
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  19. mad4

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    #39
    So the main reason to use meta tags is to get into directories?:rolleyes: :eek:
     
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    #40
    Your rankings won't disappear. In fact, if you make your title-tags more 'natural' (meant for people, instead of SE), while still making sure your keywords are in there - will probably help your rankings.
     
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