Paid vs Free Directories - Comparison

Discussion in 'Directories' started by samdar, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. Jaspworld

    Jaspworld Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    169
    Likes Received:
    4
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #21
    I manage a couple of directories. In the beginning I used to make them free. I focused on getting traffic and increasing my alexa. I would get like 300 to 500 sites submitted per day! I would accept them all, cause noone has time to go though them all. I now made the submission $2 and as a result have higher quality directories where only serious web-developers would submit their websites.
     
    Jaspworld, Oct 18, 2011 IP
  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

    Messages:
    23,694
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    440
    #22
    That's not a marketing tactic, it's a lie. People embellish the truth regularly in marketing a service and or product. But misleading? That's not a marketing tactic. That's a deception tactic.

    I can understand why you 're being so defensive. I think you'd have better luck in the directory business if you were honest.

    You pretty much invited the conversation to center on your website when you listed a signature promoting it as something it is not.
     
    Mia, Oct 18, 2011 IP
  3. samdar

    samdar Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,069
    Likes Received:
    67
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    150
    #23
    Well, ok, you may be right. I will have to think through this. No, I am not being defensive, I am just wondering how this conversation turned out.
    Any ways, thanks.
     
    samdar, Oct 18, 2011 IP
  4. pipes

    pipes Prominent Member

    Messages:
    12,766
    Likes Received:
    958
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #24
    OP, i guess why people (me included) jumped on you is because the thread suggested knowledge, and fellow directory owners will spot and make public anything that looks not right, none of us would have known had you not started the thread and also advertised in your sig in the way that you did.

    If you learn from it, as suggested by yourself and make positive changes, as i think you will, then thats great.
     
    pipes, Oct 18, 2011 IP
  5. stoner3221

    stoner3221 Notable Member

    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    233
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    285
    #25
    Some people think everybody is as ignorant as they are try to market (as they call it) using lies and deception. The web has a lot of sharp people on it and honesty is the ONLY good policy.
     
    stoner3221, Oct 18, 2011 IP
  6. stoner3221

    stoner3221 Notable Member

    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    233
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    285
    #26
    A bit of shameless self promotion in the wrong topic.
     
    stoner3221, Oct 19, 2011 IP
  7. YMC

    YMC Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    404
    Best Answers:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    190
    #27
    This has gotta be my favorite category of all time...Health & Beauty, Immigration Guess we all have to look good while we are traveling. lol

    A close second might be...Matrimonty
     
    YMC, Oct 19, 2011 IP
  8. stoner3221

    stoner3221 Notable Member

    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    233
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    285
    #28
    Yes, your right LOL!
     
    stoner3221, Oct 19, 2011 IP
  9. pipes

    pipes Prominent Member

    Messages:
    12,766
    Likes Received:
    958
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #29
    The Uncategorized category seems a bit odd to me, especially within a web directory, ive seen Uncategorized used on blogs but not on directories.
     
    pipes, Oct 19, 2011 IP
  10. timur1505

    timur1505 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    22
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #30
    As an owner of 60 PR3-PR6 general free link directories that have each been aquired from expiring domains I have to dissagree with those of you that say expiring domains give the industry a bad name.

    Probably 99.9% of any domain brought with pagerank is actually an expiring domain and not a dropped domain, and in Google's eyes all that means is the whois details has changed. If I change address and update my whois details does that mean it is dropped? No.

    My directories go through the PR updates without any problems, how? because I make sure I buy high quality domains. They also have a high amount of indexed pages in Google. Am I doing something bad? I am providing a service that people want. If I could start a fresh directory and maintain it all day every day with the same income that I currently earn from featured links, then I will be more than happy to do that.

    If people sell links on high and low quality blogs, should the high quality blog owners say that the low quality blog owners give the industry a bad name? This is the internet, People sell profile and forum links and make tons of money, get over your problem with the OP.

    Now the problem with general free directories is that they usually include a lot of spam submissions. Low quality links on your site will bring down the trust to your own site. Allowing to many low quality links on your site can result in your directory being worthless or even be banned. I'm not saying that you should not waste your time with free submissions but you should editorially approve each link that gets submitted to your directory so that your directory does not suffer.

    If you are intrested in a lot of related content on your directory category pages then I would advise you to allow free submissions but make the external links nofollow to avoid your directory losing trust, you will still get a lot of people submitting to your directories.

    The good thing about paid directories is that they usuallydo not include spam links which gives them a higher trust rank. I own several websites and I would only ever submit them to the high quality paid directories or niche specific directories.
     
    timur1505, Oct 22, 2011 IP
  11. pipes

    pipes Prominent Member

    Messages:
    12,766
    Likes Received:
    958
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #31
    Im my eyes, yes.
     
    pipes, Oct 23, 2011 IP
  12. timur1505

    timur1505 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    22
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #32
    But who cares what you think? I am here to feed my family, to pay my mortgage, I make a living off of the internet which is perfectly within the law. Is there really a need for such jelousy because you "think" your directory is more worthy?

    I guess I should stop doing what I'm doing because I am doing something so bad.

    You really need to explain because ignorant remarks don't go well with me. "Im my eyes, yes." I mean come on really is that you best you can come back at me with?
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2011
    timur1505, Oct 23, 2011 IP
  13. newbie191

    newbie191 Notable Member

    Messages:
    1,961
    Likes Received:
    100
    Best Answers:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    260
    #33
    Let me throw in my 0.02 $ here.
    I agree with what timur1505 said here.

    1. timur1505 obviously did an effort to grab the high pr domains which the old owner was no longer interested in. Its called taking action and benefiting from the opportunity.
    2. timur1505 paid for the renewals and any other fees associated to acquire those domains.
    3. (MOST IMPORTANT) As timur1505 mentioned the PR of his domains is stable even after many updates which means that google doesn't care about what is happening under these domains. In google's eyes the sites under these domain are still ranked good.
    4. These domains carry pagerank which is the "value" most people are looking for when they submit to web directories. As it was mentioned before these domains are maintaining their Page Rank even after many updates so which means they will pass on the page rank to other sites too. So sell what people want to buy isn't that what marketing is all about. :)

    @pipes
    what do you see wrong about all this? please explain. thanks
     
    newbie191, Oct 23, 2011 IP
    timur1505 likes this.
  14. pipes

    pipes Prominent Member

    Messages:
    12,766
    Likes Received:
    958
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    360
    #34
    :) not jealous mate, i have 3 directories and i think that 3 is too much, its not possible to care for 60 directories properly.

    I will refrain from getting into a silly discussion, already looking like a youtube comments war, lol

    I like to think that im not adding to the problem with my 3 paid directories.

    @newbie191, if i need to point out and waste time explaining why it is wrong then it would probably fall on deaf ears anyway, i used to spend too much time arguing on here, hence 12k posts, probably half my posts made over the years could have been time better spent elsewhere.

    Admittedly i should keep my nose out of what others are doing, whether i think its wrong or not.
     
    pipes, Oct 23, 2011 IP
  15. YMC

    YMC Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,787
    Likes Received:
    404
    Best Answers:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    190
    #35
    Timur, Do you not worry that the quality of your listings and directories suffer from having so many sites? Even the best automated link verification scripts miss sites that have been domained or changed topic.

    I truly get the power of having a network of sites that size but just wonder how in the world you can maintain them properly - assuming of course that you are running them by yourself.

    Also, it would appear that you are the exception here when it comes to transforming a dropped or expiring domain into a viable new directory while maintaining that site's PR. Even you would have to admit that the vast majority of people buying pre-used domains to start a directory are doing so under dubious circumstances. Their goal is to take advantage of people who do not realize that that high PR directory, on the former domain of a management society, is unlikely to retain it's original backlinks and PR score.
     
    YMC, Oct 23, 2011 IP
  16. timur1505

    timur1505 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    383
    Likes Received:
    22
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    130
    #36
    Yes, the main problems is that I am unable to remove listings in foreign languages as my spam detection tool does not eliminate those.

    I simply include the no follow tag on my free listing as it is impossible to check the quality of their site. If they want a “followed” link then they can pay $1 and I will approve it manually.


    I’m not going to turn around and say that my directories are the best as they simply are not, but I do try my best when buying domains. When I buy domains I look at how likely would it be that the higher quality links would remain pointing to that domain. Each of my directories are networked together in groups of 10-15 that are also allocated unique c blocks, this is a requirement of some of my clients.

    I have actually gotten into an argument with a PR6 directory owner that had absolutely 0 links pointing to that domain, that domain will drop to a PR0 on the next update. The thing is, that directory owner is still running a law abiding business and as much as I do not agree with it I will just put my hands up and let him get on with it, was never my business to get involved.
     
    timur1505, Oct 23, 2011 IP
  17. nkowl

    nkowl Active Member

    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    51
    #37
    Yes, it's right, they are both important, :)
     
    nkowl, Oct 25, 2011 IP
  18. broadcast2world

    broadcast2world Greenhorn

    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    #38
    Google most prefer free links for the comparison of paid links. The reason of this thing is by using paid submission owner make money through the medium of directory submission he/she not find the quality of description or title provided by you.
     
    broadcast2world, Dec 19, 2011 IP
  19. syted

    syted Notable Member

    Messages:
    2,086
    Likes Received:
    319
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    290
    #39
    Wonderful!
     
    syted, Dec 19, 2011 IP