That could be entertaining; Michael Moore reads from bullet point list of demands: "A.1 - Reduce graft from those on Wall Street to those running Congress. We KNOW this is needed." . Repeat1 - He said A point one... He wants to reduce graft from Wall Street to guys running Congress. He knows its a need. . Repeat2 - Moore wants to appoint one reduced giraffe from Wall Street, and two guys running Congress. His nose is a need. . Repeat3 - Moore once appointed a re-used giraffe from Wall Street, suggests congress be 2 guys, something about needing a nose, just pass it on. . Repeatnext... More than once a pointed giraffe....
That makes no sense, Alex Jones for example is famous for butting into any protest with his bull horn. How can it be legal at times and illegal at others?
Wikileaks seems to be another shill club. Let's see: Looks good. Unfortunately fake Why would Wikileaks post a fake aerial shot of Occupy Wall Street? And no, there is more than the 100 protesters some media reported on. So once again: Two lies, you decide.
I'm confused. This guy has a megaphone [video=youtube;3QZlp3eGMNI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI[/video] So does these people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhH5CJocBhI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYU_c4T_XPs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmmCl0STVfU Perhaps the mindless repitition of what the man tells you is a necessary inconvenience to get around city laws regarding megaphones, but it certainly has it's other uses. I think we've seen this before. [video=youtube;2tFnnOzJ_Vo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tFnnOzJ_Vo[/video] I doubt anyone who has seen that movie at full length would be caught dead in that crowd.
Thanks for posting this ON. Kaethy, I have received the same lame explanation. I am for the protesters 100%. But this is bullshit. You are supporting the enemy by believing the things that come from the Occupy camp. If I was in the U.S. I would join them, many of my friends are there. But we would form our own circle and not need to have a leader who who knows who appointed. This is disaster in the making ... It all depends on how America comes together as a people. If there is unity, things will work out. More division and things will not go well.
Sorry, you lost me on this one. What am I believing that I shouldn't? And what do you mean "not need to have a leader who who knows who appointed" ? They don't have appointed leaders, so, I dunno what you're saying.
Sorry, I will slow down. The Occupy claim that they had no megaphones which they did. They have spokespersons and someone is on the Occupy board. Who is it? And why do they let Michael Moore speak there? He has proven to be anything but anti Fed and he is stuck on socialism. Are they star struck by him? I am not. And right now should not be the time to suck up to celebrities just to get more attention. I mean, fine, use them if needed, but what message is he really adding to something that is supposed to be a grass roots uprising?
I really don't know how to say this without people thinking I am a "conspiracy kook" but I put this point blank: I believe that we are living in a time where 100s of years of elitism are closing in on us and a threat to push the entire world into a big third world country is here. Meaning: A ruling elite and no middle class. All third world countries have that in common: A lack of a middle class. Michael Moore wants to keep the ruling elite in power while condoning pushing the middle class further into debt by having the burden of supporting the poor. Communism does not work. I have friends at these rallies who are well aware of this danger. Having people like Michael Moore represent all protesters is extremely misleading to the general public.
Aw gee, thanks Well I don't know about that, I would ask for links, but this is not really going anywhere, so I'll skip it. I don't know that much about it, my original post was to ask if anyone was participating, I'm not the expert. But what difference does it make who their spokesperson is? He went there, he spoke. So did many other famous and not so famous people, that's all. So far, I wasn't thinking that. Agree Disagree, and I've never heard this take on Moore before. Huh? Well I agree communism is not the solution, but why do you think you need to say it? He doesn't represent them all.
Kaethy, he does. He represent the people there to mainstream America which is why people in the US automatically discard the protesters as leftists, communists, anarchists etc. It is getting better though as the stigmas of ists and isms disappears. What we have going here is media puppets dilluting the message. Michael Moore has stated several times he wanted to end capitalism. But he wants the Federal Reserve to stay as is. Great, the .1 % keeps the 99 % of wealth and the rest just loses all types of financial reward mechanisms.
[video=youtube;l97SuV6DThQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l97SuV6DThQ[/video] How much sense does this make in a worst case scenario?
Aw, kaethy, what's your agenda here? From the above you seem to be too weak to take a strong position. Who the spokesperson is, is of vital importance. Once the spokespeople are identified, the agenda can be identified. But I think you already know that. Hive Mind. That is what the spokespeople are creating with the repetition and the subtle manipulation. What should be frightening is what they will do with that hive mind.
The evolution of this thing is pretty entertaining to watch as well. So many people, so many messages, as the media tries to put a good face on it, downplaying the anti-capitalist/communist/socialist roots, they focus on the "Corporate greed" message. They highlight Union support in the marches, as if Unons were the counterweight to corporate greed, like all of America just forgot what just happened with GM. I saw an educated guy on RT actually saying the movement should avoid focusing their message and demands, and rather just maintain a general tone of anger at Wall St. that Obama can use to help push his jobs bill through congress and that democrats can use to claim populist "Anti-Tea party" support. We are your puppets Obama, use us how you will! The problem is, once you weed out the radical messages in an effort to put a good face on it, you end up with the message of the Tea Party: End Crony Capitalism In more ways than one, Obama is playing with fire. Anyone notice that the "Peaceful" Egyptian arab spring Tahir Revolution this event has been modeled after now has the state run media inciting mob violence against the Coptic Christians, resulting in 25 deaths last night? Ah, the glory of the revolution!
Of course I cannot speak for anybody else, but if I had to make a bet on one suggestion that would win as most important step to take to get the financial crisis under control, auditing and reforming the activities of the Federal Reserve bank would be most likely on top of that list. I am not talking about what spokespersons are saying. Michael Moore will always get airtime over making a true attempt to understand why people are out there. This is really what has been going on for ages and is why people do not know why they or others are doing what they are doing. Here is a prime example from 2 years ago where the CNN reporter is trying her best to lead the conversation into direction designed to make this a Republican vs. Democrat issue when in reality this protest had nothing to do with that: [video=youtube;-Hx_4mBZBjk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-Hx_4mBZBjk[/video] Unless we take active interest in listening to those with ideas regardless of popularity, there will also be a battle of "heroes" claiming to represent them.
I have no agenda. Just wondered if anyone here was participating, that's what my original post was about. I'm not interested in acrimonious debate, so that's why my responses seem weak. I do not get anything from that kind of exchange. I disagree about the importance of who the spokesperson is. They decide as a group what the message is, if they pick a spokesperson, that person will be communicating the groups message, and that person will not be important. I disagree about hive mind too. They are only doing that so the people in the back of the crowd can hear. Sheesh people, get a grip.
So nothing struck you as being even the slightest bit odd about this scene? [video=youtube;3QZlp3eGMNI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI[/video]
I agree with all that before you started rimming "those on WS". Wall Street is no Mecca of capitalism and success. Its Mecca of special-interest groups and their efforts of rigging the system (which has little to do with capitalism) for their own favor. Hang them all and world will not lose one bit, and USA will gain a lot. The same can be said about the protesting crowd though.
kaethy, if you don't understand the techniques that the guy with the bullhorn was using, then you will be one of the people easily manipulated by it. Hive Mind. Or, are you leading us to believe that you are WILLFULLY ignorant on these matters?
Thats the spirit! Hang em all, let god sort em out! What we really need is a good old fashion war to cut down on some of this excess population. Regarding Wall Street and special interest, of course they are a special interest. Unions are a special interest. The elderly are a special interest. Grade schools are a special interest. Just because Wall Street is a special interest doesn't mean it isn't capitalist. Every one of those special interests is pushing for legislation that benefits them. Teachers unions get unionized school employees concessions at the expense of our kids and the taxpayers. Wall St bankers get concessions that help their fund managers, and sometimes their investors(anyone with retirement savings), at the expense of the taxpayers. Big companies like GE avoid taxes altogether while making big money off of government "green energy" contracts given to them by their buddies in Washington(Barack Obama/Congressional Democrats). I can't fire(or hang) anyone on Wall Street, and neither can those protesters without a revolution. What both they and I CAN do, is fire the people in Washington who set the sweetheart deals up for these people. Its just sad, borderlining on pathetic to see the protesters occupying Wall St. instead of Washington. They might as well be picketing the Union halls, or any other special intrest.