To point out the differences from the quran and playboy. The playboy is less harmful 10/27/06, Thailand, Yala, A 4-year-old girl is gunned down by radical Muslims, along with her parents. Following this sura ... "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Qur'an, Sura 9:29 Can you explain that in context? Froggie? hello? Still sleeping? The Islamization of Europe: Vicar Sacrifices Himself. Others Sacrifice Others From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 02:58 On Tuesday a Lutheran vicar set himself alight in the German town of Erfurt. The 73 year old Roland Weisselberg poured gasoline over himself and set fire to himself in the Erfurt monastery, where Martin Luther took his monastic vows in 1505. Tuesday was a national holiday in parts of Germany to celebrate the Protestant Reformation. Bystanders rushed to extinguish the flames. Weisselberg later died of his injuries. In a farewell letter to his wife the vicar wrote that he was setting himself on fire to warn against the danger of the Islamization of Europe. During the past four years the vicar had frequently expressed his concern about the expansion of Islam, urging the Lutheran Church to take this issue seriously. As the fire started the vicar cried: “Jesus and Oskar!†Oskar Brüsewitz was a 47-year old German vicar who died after setting himself on fire 30 years ago, on 18 August 1976, in the market square of the German town of Zeitz in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Both Erfurt and Zeitz are situated in the former East German province of Saxony. Axel Noack, the Lutheran Bishop of Saxony, said he is shocked by the tragic event in Erfurt. Bishop Noack emphasized that the motive for the suicide complicates matters. He said he hopes that the affair and the question of how Christians should relate to Muslims will not lead to unrest. The Bishop emphasized that Christians reject a culture war. “Fear of other cultures is the result of our own insecurity,†he said, adding that since there are not many Muslims in what was once East Germany, there is not much of a debate about Islam there. Another famous case of self-immolation in Europe was that of Jan Palach, a Czech student who sacrificed his life in Prague in 1969 to protest the Communist occupation of his country. While some set themself alight others in contemporary Europe sacrifice others. Last Saturday Mama Galledou, a 26-year old Senegalese medical student, suffered severe burns in an arson attack by Muslim thugs, a.k.a. “youths,†on a public transport bus in the French city of Marseille. Muslim thugs have torched eight buses in France during the past days. They hijack the vehicles and empty jerrycans of gasoline into them. Sometimes they allow the passengers to get off first, sometimes they do not. do you need moooooore? The leaders of more than 30 Islamic organisations from around the country have issued an open letter in support of the embattled Mufti of Australia Sheik Taj el-Din al-Hilaly. The letter calls for end to the debate about Sheik al-Hilaly's comments A total of 34 groups have signed on to the statement, saying the whole episode has been filled with hysteria and that, in their view, it's now closed. Curiously, missing from the list of supporters is the Lebanese Muslim Association, who ultimately can decide the fate of the Mufti. Also today, NSW Opposition leader Peter Debnam has written to the Premier urging him to block all public funding and boycott the Mufti's backers until some clear action is taken against him. © Macquarie National News 2006 Muslims arrested in Old Bailey demo By Duncan Gardham Last Updated: 2:17am GMT 02/11/2006 Four Muslims were arrested outside the Old Bailey yesterday during angry protests against the trial of a man allegedly involved in protests against Danish cartoons. Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish protests, was once more involved as was Abu Izzadeen, who confronted John Reid, the Home Secretary, on a recent visit to East London. Mr Choudary said afterwards: "We should not be surprised at people doing something like 7/7. How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves? "We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day in everyone's faces." Male demonstrators, most wearing scarves across their faces, held placards reading 'Cartoonist free at large, protesters criminalised', 'Freedom to insult Mohammed, no freedom to defend his honour', and 'Biased government, biased CPS, biased police, biased judges'. Female protesters, in a separate enclosure from the men and wearing full veils, held placards reading: "Shariah — the only option for the UK." Speaking through a megaphone, Mr Choudary told supporters: "Islam is the fastest growing belief in the UK, the fastest growing belief in Europe and the fastest growing belief around the world." The demonstration was being directed away from the Central Criminal Court by police when one of the men allegedly assaulted a cameraman. The three others were arrested when they tried to help their friend. City police said a number of officers sustained minor injuries. The protesters were objecting to the arrest of Mizanur Rahman, 23, a web designer from Edmonton, North London, whose trial began yesterday for allegedly soliciting murder and using threatening, abusive or insulting words to stir up racial hatred during a demonstration. Rahman is said to have called for "another 9/11" in Europe. Muzaffarabad, October 20, 2006: The dead body of Dr. Mehaboob, the missionary of At Anycost Jesus Mission in Pakistan found in Neelum river on October 18. He was 42 years of age. Two of his children Shalom and Sharon were brutally murdered and the dead bodies were burnt on 1st of September. His wife Paulin Mehabooba (37 years old) and the youngest daughters Sherin (11 years old) and Shelvin (7 years old) are still missing. Dr. Mehaboob was a Muslim. He was born in Bahawalpur in Pakistan. He accepted Jesus Christ as his personal saviour while he was studying. He married a christian girl named Paulin about 17 years ago. His conversion and marriage created problems. They would have been killed by his relatives. But they escaped and lived in Peshawar for few years. They started proclaiming the Gospel there. Many people accepted Jesus. And they were attacked and their first boy child (who was eldor to Shalom) was murdered on his 7 years of age. So they left Peshawar and came to Muzaffarabad. And continued their ministry in between Muzaffarabad and Baltit. At Anycost Jesus Mission started on 1st of January, 2000 as a millenium project for the underground evangelisation of the Muslim nations. Dr. Mehaboob is one of the founders of the Mission. There are 78 underground missionaries serving in different nations to reach the Gospel to the Muslims, in which eight are from Pakistan. The militants asked Dr. Mehaboob family to stop missionary activites and convert back to Islam with the believers. They offered a big amount to convert back to Islam and join with their group. They very much appreciated the way of the underground ministry Dr.Mehaboob and the team doing. They wanted to utilise his efforts and talents to fight against christianity. Dr. Mehaboob and family totally refused them and boldly said that Christ is our Saviour and we will stand behind His shadow till the last breath of our life. He was beaten several times. Around 15 to 20 people kidnapped the boy Shalom on 8th of August. They forcely and roughly circumcised him. They used iron weights and rusty knives for the circumcision. Then they left the boy back home. He became sick, suffered too much pain, pus came out from penis and could not urinate for two or three days. The militants gave the warning it was only an advance. Dr. Mehaboob approched the Police to file a case. But the police did not register a case, and said that they would be charged against Mehaboob for attempting murder to his son. All the believers gathered in his house everyday and prayed. It made the militants angry. On 21st of August, the whole family of Dr. Mehaboob was kidnapped. Believers were beaten severly whenever they try to join for prayers. The police was supporting the militants. The militants raped the girls in front of the parents. Sharon, the older girl rebuked, so they cut one of her breasts. Both Shalom and Sharon were killed. The militants left the dead bodies in a ditch alongwith a motorbyke, poured the petrol and burnt them. The police said those are unidentified dead bodies. And made a false statement that it was an accident and the petrol tank of the byke was opened while they were fallen into the ditch and burnt by a spark. Since then there was no news about Mehaboob, wife and remaining two girls. It was informed to the related authorities of the government. ... and froggie jumped back into the water ... Shawn was he a DP member? If so what was his name here?
Arnie, this is not your blog man, nor is it a medium for an open bashfest against Muslims! Have you heard about the rule against double posting
Arnie, you are in a bashing mode man, we were discussing if the prophet was indeed a factor, take it easy man! Don't become a radical yourself, that extends the hate and war, remember what your good books says, treat others like you would have them treat you and by all means fight for what is right.
I'm with the truth, why do you expect me to listen to lies? You know that they know what they're doing. You haven't been here for a while. But if you look back you'll find that they are repeating with the same tricks again and again. At least I post something new they can't debunk.
OK man, take it easy, the thread will be here tomorrow, you can add to it! This is an international forum, not just one for evangelical US based Christians man! Let them have their voice and you counter with your views!
If they would come up with something reasonable I'll rest my case. Don't even think about that they can do that as long as the follow their murderous book.
First I would like to apologize if you thought i was refering to you, but I was refering to arnie with the playboy references, I would NOT suggest anyone reads the playboy(i dont think there is any reading there anyways). I was simply pointing out that a FOLLOWER of a religion can say something de-meaning about women can be turned to say ALL followers of that religion think alike, of course this is not true but this is seem to happen here, you find some really really evil people do things in the name of islam and every other muslim gets branded by the same label. what most of the people do not undrestand that the evil people that do such things are actually doing more harm to muslims then they are to non muslims. They are blowing up/point blank shooting at LEAST 100 innocent iraqi civilians a day. What i dont undrestand is why cant we all get along and fight those who are harming all humanity. I recently went to a dinner where we had people of all faiths and religions and even athiests get togather and talk like CIVILIZED people on how we can help one another instead of destroy one another. Who so ever points out a negative point (true or not) about another person is gonna get NOTHING good out of it, however if a person points out a positive about another, one day that person will say something good about you. I was in the war zone, I was being tortured by "muslims", but I will never claim all muslims are like that because I have met some that if (like homer simpson says 'if we were all like ned flanders, there would be no need for heaven")
Looks like Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in the same God but with different messages for different people and time.
Part of the bible tells the stories and history of the Jews, but the overall message stays the same throughout and for all people. The koran?? I don't know who it is for.
I hate to break the news to you Debunked, but the Bible is a history of creation, the history of mankind and mostly a history of ancient Israel, the Jewish people are only one of the 13 tribes of ancient Israel. http://jahtruth.co.uk/amerca.htm `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Judah is the tribe the Jewish people are descended from, they are only one tribe out of 13 in ancient Israel. This is all in your bible Debunked, even the Messiah said he was sent to the lost 10 tribes of Israel if you read that! The mystery is the word "Lost", in other words they lost their identity when Israel was taken into slavery many times after wars.
You mis-understood (I used the wrong word) so sorry, I do know what is in the bible. God's Chosen. Is that easier. I didn't want to write a book to get to the point on my prior post. What I am commenting to you on was that link to the wacko site. Are they Israel identity or ?? this is a new one to me. Haven't seen that mixed belief before where they not only say the king james version is the only correct version, but the original koran goes with it equally. Do you know this belief or did you just find it? And then you had a JW comment on it being a good find - what in the world?? Maybe he didn't read it or JW's have added more off the wall beliefs then before. Next you will point to www.rael.org and say how great of a religion it is