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Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country

Main article: Catholic sex abuse cases

See also: Abuse by members of Roman Catholic orders

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

This page documents notable Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country.

Africa

Kenya

In 2009 several people came forward with accusations of sexual molestation against an Italian priest working in the country. The Church gave assurances of an investigation, but this has not taken place. However Kenyan police say they found no evidence and believe Sesana is innocent.[1]

In 2010 a young woman alleged that a Catholic priest had undertaken inappropriate sexual activity against her will, but the police & Church authorities had failed to follow up the allegations.[2]

The 2011 RaidiÃ³ TeilifÃs Ã‰ireann (RTE) documentary brought to notice Kenya's clerical abuse cases, which should have been handled with more transparency. The documentary involves clerical sexual abuse in South Africa, Nigeria & in the case of Kenya, the Mill Hill Missionaries. The programme hinted there might well be further cases emerging, which was correct. For details look at Tanzania, which highlights the scandal at St Michael's School, Soni in the remote Usumbara Mountains. [3]

In 2011 a Dutch bishop was reported to be under probe over alleged sex abuse, The Bishop was alleged to have abused a minor when he served as a priest in Ngong diocese some 18 years prior to the report.[4]

Tanzania

St Michael's Catholic Boarding School, Soni, Tanzania

A prominent United Kingdom member of the order, Fr Kit Cunningham together with three other priests were exposed after Cunningham's death as paedophiles[5][6][7][8] While at Soni, Cunningham perpetrated sexual abuse that made the school, according to one pupil, "a loveless, violent and sad hellhole". Other pupils recall being photographed naked, hauled out of bed at night to have their genitals fondled and other sexual abuse.[9][10]Although known about by the Rosminians before Cunningham's death in 2010, the abuse was only publicly revealed by the media in 2011[11][12][13] [14] [15] [16][17]

Asia

Philippines
In 2002 the Catholic Church apologized for sexual abuses, including adultery, homosexuality and child abuse by two hundred priests over the previous 20 years.[18]
In 2003 at least 34 priests were suspended in a sex abuse scandal involving sexual harassment of women. 20 were from a single diocese.[19]
In 2011, a priest accused of sexually abusing a 17-year old female minor is sheltered by his Bishop, despite calls for his surrender to civil authorities.[20]

Europe

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe

Austria
Archdiocese of Vienna
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Vienna archdiocese

In 1995 Hans Hermann Cardinal Groer stepped down as head of the Catholic Church in Austria following accusations of sexual misconduct. In 1998 he left the country. He remained a Cardinal.[21]

Belgium

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#Belgium

ÂThere have been several abuse cases in Belgium.
Diocese of Antwerp
Former parish priest Bruno Vos of Nieuwmoer parish in Kalmthout was officially charged with rape of a minor by the Belgian judiciary. There are also allegations of possession of child pornography included in the charge.[22]

Croatia
Archdiocese of Zagreb Ivan ÄŒuÄek convicted [23] in 2000 for sexual abuse of 37 young girls, sentenced to three years in prison, which was later reduced by Supreme Courtto [24] to one and a half years.
Archdiocese of Rijeka Drago LjubiÄiÄ‡ convicted in 2007 was Catholic priest on the isle of Rab sentenced to three years in prison for molesting five teenage boys. He will be the first Catholic priest to serve prison time for sexual abuse in Croatia.[25] When asked by Catholic press agency Glas Koncila (prior to scandal) why children avoid going to church he blamed 'strong influence of communism on island Rab'.[26]

France

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#France
Seine et marne Henri Lebras sentenced to ten years for the rape of a twelve-year-old boy between 1995 and 1998.[27]

Germany

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#Germany

In February 2010 Der Spiegel reported that more than 94 clerics and laymen have been suspected of sexual abuse since 1995, but only 30 of those suspects had actually been prosecuted because of legal time constraints on pursuing cases.[28]

Ireland

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Ireland

See also: Murphy Report
Archdiocese of Dublin
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Dublin

See also: Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse

Several priests who abused children in the United States were Irish Nationals, notably Patrick Colleary, Anthony O'Connell and Oliver O'Grady.
Diocese of Ferns
Main article: Ferns Report

The Ferns Inquiry 2005 - On 22 October 2005 a government-commissioned report compiled by a former Irish Supreme Court judge delivered an indictment of the handling of clerical sex abuse in the Irish diocese of Ferns.

Italy

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#Italy
It is difficult to ascertain the actual statistics for clerical sexual abuse in Italy because the Italian Government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests.[29]
Three former students have claimed abuse and 65 former students signed statements saying that they or other students were abused by Catholic priests when attending the Antonio Provolo Institute for the Deaf, a Catholic school for deaf children in Verona, Italy. The abuse is alleged to have occurred from the 1950s to 1980s, and was reportedly conducted by 24 priests including the late bishop of Verona.[30]

Malta
84 allegations had been made as of April 2010 and Lawrence Grech, one of many alleged victims complains that he was abused in an orphanage. Mr Grech complained in 2010 that the Church had been investigating cases for seven years without doing enough that is effective. The pope spoke to Mr Grech and approved his courage in coming forward. [31] [32] [33]-A Maltese court found that Fr Charles Pulis and Fr Godwin Scerri sexually abused children and sentenced the two men to six years and five years in prison respectively. The church regretted delays before there were proper investigations into the abuse and promised to defrock Fr Pulis.

Fr. Anthony Mercieca, who was accused by former Florida Congressman Mark Foley of molesting him as a teenager and has admitted "inappropriate encounters", now lives in Malta.[35]

Netherlands

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#Netherlands

Cases of sexual abuse by religious members of the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands can since 1995 be notified to a central church institution, called Secretariaat Rooms-Katholiek Kerkgenootschap (SRRK).[36][37]

In 1993, Father H.H.M. Jansen is denounced for sexual abuse during his activities as military pastor and as a faculty member of the seminary of Rolduc.[38]

On 14 May 1998 damages of â‚¬ 56.800 were paid by the diocese of Rotterdam to the victim of sexual abuse by a diocesan priest in order to avoid civil prosecution.[39]

Father J. Ceelen, pastor of the parishes of Lieshout and of Mariahout (municipality of Laarbeek) quits his post after allegations of sexual abuse on 1 September 2005.[40]

In February 2010 Salesians were accused of sexual abuse in their juvenate Don Rua in 's-Heerenberg. Salesian bishop of Rotterdam van Luyn pleaded for a thorough investigation.[41]

Norway

Georg MÃ¼ller, a former Catholic Bishop in Trondheim, Norway, has admitted to sexually abusing an altar boy in the 1980s when he served as a priest there. MÃ¼ller, who retired as bishop in 2009, said there were no other victims.[42][43]

Poland
Archdiocese of PoznaÅ„
In March 2002 the Archbishop of PoznaÅ„, Juliusz Paetz, stepped down following accusations, which he denied, of sexually molesting young priests.[44]
Diocese of PÅ‚ock
In early 2007 allegations surfaced that former Bishop Stanislaw Wielgus (later very briefly Archbishop of Warsaw) was aware that several priests in his former diocese of PÅ‚ock were sexually abusing minors.[45]

Slovenia
Archdiocese of Ljubljana Franc Frantar - detained in 2006[46] for sexual abuse of up to 16 minors. He was later sentenced to five years in prison.[47] He initially escaped prosecution by escaping to Malawi to work there as a missionary, but returned to Slovenia after Interpol warrant was issued.

Sweden
Diocese of Stockholm
One child was sexually abused by a priest several years in the late 1950s. When the child raised the issue at the time, the priest was protected and the abuse was kept quiet by the church. The victim finally reported the abuse to the Stockholm diocese in December 2005. The victim demanded a public apology from the church. In June 2007 Sweden's Catholic church made a public apology in two newspapers.[48]

Great Britain

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Europe#Great Britain

There have been several cases of sex abuse in the United Kingdom including:

Passionist Congregation
In the 1990s, abuse by a Father Eugene Kennan (baptismal name John Joseph), a priest of the Passionist Order, originally from Liverpool, came to light. An extremely powerful man who had held high positions in the order, he had given retreats and counselled vulnerable girls over many decades, including those in care and approved schools in the 1960s. A man of great charisma, he was able to abuse girls in whom he inspired devotion. It was, however, the sexual abuse of a former novice nun that first brought the abuse to light, after which many women came forward with their own testimonies of his sexual abuse. One story he would tell the girls was that he had trained as a gynaecologist, which led to intimate physical examinations. In the late 1990s Father Eugene was relieved of his official duties and was investigated by the police, however his age and failing health saved him from prison. He died in 2002. The scandal was largely covered up by the superior of the Passionist Order, Father Nicholas Postlethwaite, who managed to keep it out of the English newspapers, though it was mentioned in the Irish press.[citation needed]
Benedictine Congregation
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the English Benedictine Congregation
Buckfast Abbey School

In 2007 two former monks from Buckfast Abbey were sentenced for sexually abusing boys.[49][50]
Ealing Abbey / St Benedict's School

In 2009 a monk of Ealing Abbey and former headmaster of the junior department of its associated school, St Benedict's, was sentenced to eight years in prison for sexually abusing boys.[51]
Belmont Abbey / Belmont Abbey School

In 2004 former priest John Kinsey of Belmont Abbey, Herefordshire, was sentenced at Worcester Crown Court for 5 years for sexual assaults on schoolboys in the mid 1980s.[52][53]

North America

Canada

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Canada
Archdiocese of St. John's
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in St. John's archdiocese

In the 1990s, criminal proceedings began against members of the Christian Brothers in Newfoundland.

Mexico

Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Legion of Christ

See also: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Latin America

Fr. Marcial Maciel (1920â€“2008) founded the Legion of Christ, a Catholic order of priests originating in Mexico. Nine former seminarians of his order accused Maciel of molestation.[54] One retracted his accusation, saying that it was a plot intended to discredit the Legion. Maciel maintained his innocence of the accusations.

United States

Main article: Catholic sexual abuse scandal in the United States
Archdiocese of Anchorage
See also: Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus

In 2007, the Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[55]

In 2008, the Diocese of Fairbanks, a co-defendant in the case, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, claiming inability to pay the 140 plaintiffs filing claims against the diocese for alleged sexual abuse by priests or church workers during this period.[56][57][58]
Archdiocese of Boston
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Boston

Allegations of sexual misconduct by priests of the Archdiocese of Boston, and following revelations of a cover-up by the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, became known in 2004, causing Roman Catholics in other dioceses of the United States to investigate similar situations. Cardinal Law's actions prompted public scrutiny of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the steps taken in response to past and current allegations of sexual misconduct by priests. The events in the Archdiocese of Boston became a national scandal.
Archdiocese of Chicago
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago

Daniel McCormack, a self-confessed sexually abusive priest was sentenced to five years in prison for abusing five boys (8â€“12 years) in 2001.[59]
Diocese of Crookston
Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul was charged with molesting two teenage girls at a Catholic church in Greenbush, Minnesota, a small rural town near the Canadian border. The abuse occurred in 2004, and charges were filed in 2006 and amended in 2007.[60] Without facing legal punishment, Jevapaul returned to his home diocese in Ootacamund, India, where today he works in the churchâ€™s diocesan office. A Roseau County, Minnesota attorney is seeking to extradite the priest from India in a criminal case involving one of the girls.[61] The Archbishop of Madras, India (Madras is now called â€œChennaiâ€) has asked Jeyapaul to return to the US to face the charges.[62] Jevapaul has said that he will not fight extradition if the US seeks it.[63]
Diocese of Davenport
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Davenport diocese

On October 10, 2006, the Diocese of Davenport filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.[64]
Archdiocese of Denver
In July 2008 the Archdiocese of Denver paid a settlement of $5.5 million dollars to 18 claims of alleged sexual abuse perpetrated by two clerics between the years of 1954 and 1981.[65]
Archdiocese of Dubuque
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Dubuque archdiocese

In 2006 the Archdiocese settled a number of claims of sexual abuse, and the Archbishop offered a personal apology.[66]
Diocese of Fall River
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Fall River diocese

Father James Porter was a Roman Catholic priest who was convicted of molesting 28 children;[67] He admitted sexually abusing at least 100 of both sexes over a period of 30 years, starting in the 1960s.[68] Bishop Sean O'Malley settled 101 abuse claims and initiated a zero-tolerance policy against sexual abuse. He also instituted one of the first comprehensive sexual abuse policies in the Roman Catholic Church.[69]
Diocese of Honolulu
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Honolulu diocese

Reverend Joseph Bukoski, III, SS.CC., Honolulu, Hawaii, a member of the Congregation of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary was canonically removed in 2003 as the pastor of Maria Lanakila Catholic Church in Lahaina by Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo for allegations relating to sexual improprieties some 30 years earlier. Fr. Bukoski issued a written public apology to his victim on November 12, 2005.

Reverend Mr. James "Ron" Gonsalves, Wailuku, Hawaii, Gonsalves the administrator of Saint Ann Roman Catholic Church in Waihee, Maui, pleaded guilty on May 17, 2006 to several counts of sexual assault on a 12-year-old male. Bishop Clarence Richard Silva has permanently withdrawn his faculties and has initiated laicization proceedings against Deacon Gonsalves with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
Archdiocese of Los Angeles
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Los Angeles

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay out 60 million dollars to settle 45 lawsuits it still faces over 450 other pending cases. According to the Associated Press, 22 priests were involved in the settlement with cases going back as far as the 1930s.[70] 20 million dollars of this was paid by the insurers of the archdiocese. The main administrative office of the archdiocese is due to be sold to cover the cost of these and future law suits. The archdiocese will settle about 500 cases for about $600 million.[71]
Diocese of Memphis
The Diocese of Memphis reached a $2 million settlement with a man who was abused as a boy by Father Juan Carlos Duran, a priest with a history of sexual misconduct with juveniles in St. Louis, Panama, and Bolivia.[72]
Archdiocese of Miami
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Miami archdiocese

Since 1966, the Archdiocese of Miami Insurance Programs have paid $26.1 million in settlement, legal, and counseling costs associated with sexual misconduct allegations made by minors involving priests, laity and religious brothers and sisters.[73]
Archdiocese of Milwaukee
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Catholic archdiocese of Milwaukee

A 2003 report on the sexual abuse of minors by clergy in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee revealed that allegations of sexually assaulting minors had been made against 58 ordained men.[citation needed] By early 2009, the Archdiocese of Milwaukee had spent approximately $26.5 million in attorney fees and settlements. Under Archbishop Timothy Dolan the archdiocese was able to avoid bankruptcy from lawsuits.[74]

A Wisconsin priest, the Rev. Lawrence C Murphy, who taught at the former St. John School for the Deaf in the Milwaukee suburb of St. Francis, Wisconsin from 1950 to 1974, allegedly molested more than 200 deaf boys. Several U.S. bishops warned the Vatican that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church. Murphy was moved by then Milwaukee Archbishop William E Cousins to Superior, Wisconsin, a small city near Lake Superior, where he spent his final 24 years working with children in parishes, schools and a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998. As of March 2010, there were four outstanding lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Milwaukee in the case.[75][76]
Diocese of Oakland
In 1981, the former Rev. Stephen Kiesle was convicted for tying up and molesting two boys in a California church rectory.[77] From 1981 to 1985, Bishop John Stephen Cummins, who oversaw Kiesle, contacted the Vatican about defrocking him. Then-cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, responded by letter that the case needed more time, as it was "necessary to consider the good of the Universal Church" and "the detriment that granting the dispensation" could provoke among the faithful. In 1987, the Vatican defrocked Kiesle. The letter was widely regarded as evidence of Ratzinger's role in blocking the removal of pedophile priests.[78][79] Vatican officials responded that that interpretation rested on a misreading of the letter, in which the issue was not whether Kiesle should be defrocked but whether he should be granted the dispensation he had requested from the obligation of chastity. By refusing to grant such a dispensation right away in the Kiesle case, Ratzinger was actually being tough with an abuser, not lax.[80][81]
Archdiocese of Omaha
During his tenure as the Bishop of Helena, Montana, Archbishop Elden Francis Curtiss chose to reassign a priest who had been accused of pedophilia in 1959, later admitting that he had not properly examined the church's personnel file on the individual concerned. Curtiss faced similar criticism in 2001 in regard to a priest accused of accessing child pornography. Curtiss, it was alleged, had failed to bring the case to the attention of the authorities, and had chosen to send the priest for counseling and to reassign the priest, removing him from his high-school teaching position but reassigning him to a middle-school.[82]
Diocese of Orange, California
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Orange

On January 3, 2005 Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange apologized to 87 alleged victims of sexual abuse and announced a settlement of $100 million following two years of mediation.
Diocese of Palm Beach
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Palm Beach

Joseph Keith Symons resigned as ordinary in 1998 after admitting he molested five boys while he was a pastor.[83]
Diocese of Peoria
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Peoria diocese

Coadjutor Bishop John J. Myers of Peoria was among the two-thirds of sitting bishops and acting diocese administrators that the Dallas Morning News found had allowed priests accused of sexual abuse to continue working.[84]

In 2005, Rev. Francis Engels pleaded guilty to molesting a Peoria altar boy on trips to Milwaukee in the early 1980s.[85]
Archdiocese of Philadelphia
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia

According to a 2005 investigation, while serving as assistant vicar for administration in 1996, Bishop Cistone was involved with silencing a nun who tried to alert parishioners at St. Gabriel parish about abuse by a priest. According to the report, there were several other instances of priest sexual abuse that Cistone was complicit in covering up.[86] In February 2011, Monsignor William Lynn, former secretary of the clergy for the Philadelphia Archdiocese, was charged with child endangerment, marking the first time that a high-ranking official has been charged since the eruption of sex abuse scandals nearly ten years prior.[87] Lynn was found by a grand jury to have placed pedophiles in posts involving contact with children, which led directly to the sexual assault of two boys. Three priests and one teacher face rape charges.
Diocese of Phoenix
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Phoenix diocese

On November 21, 2005, Monsignor Dale Fushek of the Diocese of Phoenix was arrested and charged with 10 criminal misdemeanor counts related to alleged inappropriate sexual contact with teens and young adults.[88]
Archdiocese of Portland
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Portland archdiocese

The Archdiocese of Portland filed for Chapter 11 reorganization on July 6, 2004, hours before two abuse trials were set to begin.[citation needed] Portland became the first Catholic diocese to file for bankruptcy. An open letter to the archdiocese's parishioners explained the archbishop's motivation.
Archdiocese of San Antonio
John Salazar was sentenced to life in prison for sexually assaulting a 18-year-old parishioner.[89]
Diocese of San Diego
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in San Diego diocese

On February 27, 2007, the Diocese of San Diego filed for Chapter 11 protection, hours before the first of about 150 lawsuits was due to be heard.[citation needed]
Diocese of Savannah
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic diocese of Savannah

In October, 2009, the diocese of Savannah paid $4.24 million to settle a lawsuit which alleged that Lessard allowed a priest named Wayland Brown to work in the diocese when Lessard knew that Brown was a serial child molester who posed a danger to children.[90]
Diocese of Spokane
Under Bishop William S. Skylstad the Diocese of Spokane declared bankruptcy in December 2004. As part of its bankruptcy, the diocese has agreed to pay at least $48 million as compensation. This payout has to be agreed to by the victims and a judge before it will be made. According to federal bankruptcy judge, Gregg W. Zive, money for the settlement would come from insurance companies, the sale of church property, contributions from Catholic groups and from the diocese's parishes.[91]
Diocese of Stockton
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Stockton diocese

Fr. Oliver O'Grady molested multiple children in Stockton.[92] The 2006 documentary Deliver Us From Evil is based on accusations that Bishop Roger Mahony knew that Oliver O'Grady was an active pedophile.[93]
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The Catholic priests have abused so many children that I had to shorten the article since it is more than the size of what is permitted to post here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

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#182

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The last 4 gospels were rejected by the Catholic church because they were obvious forgeries. God is powerful enough to have had His Word put the way he wanted it to; end of story.
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An apology for the Devil: It must be remembered that we have heard only one side of the case. God has written all the books.

SAMUEL BUTLER,

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So the son fu*ked his own mother to make himself, what is the opinion of Vatican on time travel?
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lol Gworld you are smarter than I thought.

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Moderation against telling the truth???
The Catholic priests have abused so many children that I had to shorten the article since it is more than the size of what is permitted to post here.
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There was a traitor among the 12 disciples that Christ hand picked himself: Judas Iscariot. So yes the Church always has traitors, but Christ has promised: the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!

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#184

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So yes the Church always has traitors
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

- Epicurus

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#185

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Are there no Mods on this forum???
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Yes there are..
You can contact them through 'Suggestion and feedback" forums. Or
you can choose to 'report' post. Or
you can go to - http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showgroups.php and contact them via PM, but I don't think they will like it.

Anyway, do not expect them to support lunacy...

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#186

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

- Epicurus
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God is able to do all things, but he does them according to his plan and according to his purpose. Why you so easily believe Epicurus but you don't believe Christ?

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Are there no Mods on this forum???
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Last week I received no less than 6 infractions,trust me there are mods on this forum.Mods have information on members,such as e-mail signatures etc..It is the expectation that this should remain private and not given out to other members but........

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God is able to do all things, but he does them according to his plan and according to his purpose. Why you so easily believe Epicurus but you don't believe Christ?
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He hasn't got a plan, he doesn't have a 'purpose', he doesn't 'love' you, why do humans also think that any God would be burdened by retarded human emotions like, love, hate, fear etc. He'd be a machine who feels nothing, who calculates everything on logic and not what he feels. If there is a God, you probably don't even register on to him, bunch of stupid peasants and parasites. That go around killing each other like every other creature that inhabits that rock.

Do yourself a favor pull your head out of your ass and stop thinking you're something special. So long as humans are ruled by their emotions they'll always be inferior.

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God is able to do all things, but he does them according to his plan and according to his purpose.
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For whatever purpose he has, he sure is doing a very terrible job at it. I guess all religious killings was part of his "plan and purpose".

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Why you so easily believe Epicurus but you don't believe Christ?
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What he said makes sense while them holy books doesn't.

So... why do you easily believe in Christ?

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God is able to do all things, but he does them according to his plan and according to his purpose.
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Then why do you cry for moderation, my posts about pedophile priests and stupidity of all religions must be according to his plans, isnÂ´t it? Are you trying to fight GodÂ´s will?

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There was a traitor among the 12 disciples that Christ hand picked himself: Judas Iscariot. So yes the Church always has traitors, but Christ has promised: the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!
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According to the gospel of Judas,Jesus ordered Judas to betray him in order to fulfill the prophecy laid out in "Isiah".Jesus felt that he needed to go through the passion in order to be the messiah.So if we take Judas at his word then he was no traitor.

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According to the gospel of Judas,Jesus ordered Judas to betray him in order to fulfill the prophecy laid out in "Isiah".Jesus felt that he needed to go through the passion in order to be the messiah.So if we take Judas at his word then he was no traitor.
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The gospel of Judas was not written by Judas, he committed suicide even before the resurrection of Christ. It's a gnostic text, written around 200 AD by the gnostics, a group of heretics who believed that Jesus was only a man. Remember, Christianity had enemies back then, just as it does now

Same goes for the gospel of Thomas, Philip, Mary Magdalene, etc. all these are gnostic texts.

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The gospel of Judas was not written by Judas, he committed suicide even before the resurrection of Christ. It's a gnostic text, written around 200 AD by the gnostics, a group of heretics who believed that Jesus was only a man. Remember, Christianity had enemies back then, just as it does now

Same goes for the gospel of Thomas, Philip, Mary Magdalene, etc. all these are gnostic texts.
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Let's not open up that can of worms.The gnostic texts were copied from the originals which were written between 35-70 A.D.

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#194

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The gospel of Judas was not written by Judas, he committed suicide even before the resurrection of Christ. It's a gnostic text, written around 200 AD by the gnostics, a group of heretics who believed that Jesus was only a man. Remember, Christianity had enemies back then, just as it does now

Same goes for the gospel of Thomas, Philip, Mary Magdalene, etc. all these are gnostic texts.
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Who told you one gospel is better than the other one,Vatican and popes? LetÂ´s look at history of people that you believe in without any questions.

Sexually active after receiving Holy Orders
Pope Julius II (1503â€“1513) had at least one illegitimate daughter, Felice della Rovere (born in 1483, twenty years before his election). Some sources indicate that he had two additional illegitimate daughters, who died in their childhood.[19] Furthermore, some (possibly libellous) reports of his time accused him of sodomy. According to the schismatic Council of Pisa in 1511, he was a "sodomite covered with shameful ulcers."[20]
Pope Paul III (1534â€“1549) held off ordination[21] in order to continue his promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons and one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Ruffini. He broke his relations with her ca. 1513. There is no evidence of sexual activity during his papacy.[22] He made his illegitimate son Pier Luigi Farnese the first Duke of Parma.[23][24]
Pope Pius IV (1559â€“1565) had three illegitimate children before his election to the papacy.[25]

[edit] Sexually active during their pontificate
Pope Sergius III (904â€“911) was supposedly the father of Pope John XI by Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis,[26] as well as the Liber Pontificalis.[27] However it must be noted that this is disputed by another early source, the annalist Flodoard (c. 894-966), John XI was brother of Alberic II, the latter being the offspring of Marozia and her husband Alberic I. Hence John too may have been the son of Marozia and Alberic I. Bertrand Fauvarque underlines that the contemporary sources backing up this parenthood are dubious, Liutprand being "prone to exaggeration" while other mentions of this fatherhood appear in satires written by supporters of late Pope Formosus.[28]
Pope John X (914â€“928) had romantic affairs with both Theodora and her daughter Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis:[29] "The first of the popes to be created by a woman and now destroyed by her daughter". (See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope John XII (955â€“963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of adultery, fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).[30] The monk chronicler Benedict of Soracte noted in his volume XXXVII that he "liked to have a collection of women". According to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis,[26] "they testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse." According to The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, John XII was "a Christian Caligula whose crimes were rendered particularly horrific by the office he held".[31] He was killed by a jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery with the man's wife.[32][33][34][35] (See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope Benedict IX (1032â€“ became pope in 1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047â€“1048).[36] He was accused by Bishop Benno of Piacenza of "many vile adulteries."[37][38] Pope Victor III referred in his third book of Dialogues to "his rapes... and other unspeakable acts."[39] His life prompted St. Peter Damian to write an extended treatise against sex in general, and homosexuality in particular. In his Liber Gomorrhianus, Damian accused Benedict IX of routine sodomy and bestiality and sponsoring orgies.[40] In May 1045, Benedict IX resigned his office to pursue marriage.[41]
Pope Alexander VI (1492â€“1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. Alexander fathered a total of at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children.[42] (See also Banquet of Chestnuts)

[edit] Suspected to have had male lovers during pontificate
Pope Paul II (1464â€“1471) is popularly alleged to have died of a heart attack while in a sexual act with a page.[43][44]
Pope Sixtus IV (1471â€“1484) was alleged to have awarded gifts and benefices to court favorites in return for sexual favors. Giovanni Sclafenato was created a cardinal by Sixtus IV for "ingenuousness, loyalty,...and his other gifts of soul and body",[45] according to the papal epitaph on his tomb.[46] Such claims were recorded by Stefano Infessura, in his Diarium urbis Romae.
Pope Leo X (1513â€“1521) was widely thought to have had many active lovers, and alleged to have had a particular (albeit one-sided) infatuation for Marcantonio Flaminio.[47]
Pope Julius III (1550â€“1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope's bedroom and bed.[48] According to The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, "naturally indolent, he devoted himself to pleasurable pursuits with occasional bouts of more serious activity".[31]
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It is obvious that they didnÂ´t believe in what they preached and were more interested in fu*king than God.

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It is obvious that they didnÂ´t believe in what they preached and were more interested in fu*king than God.
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There was a traitor among the 12 disciples that Christ hand picked himself: Judas Iscariot. So yes the Church always has traitors, but Christ has promised: the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!
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Let's not open up that can of worms.The gnostic texts were copied from the originals which were written between 35-70 A.D.
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Great! Find me the Gnostic version of the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Luke, and the Gospel of John.

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Great! Find me the Gnostic version of the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Luke, and the Gospel of John.
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I admire your faith and your determination to defend it.But earlier we touched on one of the most interesting people in the gospels,Judas Iscariot.In Matthew he commits suicide,yet in Luke he falls on his plow and his guts fall out.So suicide or work related death?
Jesus says in Matthew turn the other cheek,yet he chases the money changers out of the temple with a whip made of rope.Why so many contradictions in the bible?

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I admire your faith and your determination to defend it.But earlier we touched on one of the most interesting people in the gospels,Judas Iscariot.In Matthew he commits suicide,yet in Luke he falls on his plow and his guts fall out.So suicide or work related death?
Jesus says in Matthew turn the other cheek,yet he chases the money changers out of the temple with a whip made of rope.Why so many contradictions in the bible?
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That means the gospels are true They are consistent enough to verify Jesus' life, crucifixion, and resurrection; but inconsistent enough that we know they are not copied from each other, as some think.
Anyway these so-called "contradictions" have been studied and explained by Bible scholars and they are not contradictions as supposed.
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/question.asp
http://forums.catholic.com/

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That means the gospels are true They are consistent enough to verify Jesus' life, crucifixion, and resurrection; but inconsistent enough that we know they are not copied from each other, as some think.
Anyway these so-called "contradictions" have been studied and explained by Bible scholars and they are not contradictions as supposed.
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/question.asp
http://forums.catholic.com/
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Blah blah blah..

When the going gets tough, you ignore people who dismiss your arguments. Fail much?

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Blah blah blah..

When the going gets tough, you ignore people who dismiss your arguments. Fail much?
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Tough for who?

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