Do any leaders of Islam speak out about Islamic violence on one another?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by earlpearl, Oct 21, 2006.

  1. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #21
    Would that be the same blog where you condemn the public execution of women for crimes such as, what were they again? or would you continue to refuse to answer,

    Yes or no: murdering women in a football stadium filled with cheering men is bad?.

    Rebecca, respectfully, I refer you to the link above.
     
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  2. mistermix

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    #22
    Have you lived in a country that is in the middle of a civil war? You say you have never seen a 'leader of islam' speak out against 'islamic violence'.

    What exactly is islamic violence? Violence in an inslamic country? If I punch you in the face, what kind of violence is it?

    Where have you been looking? I guess if you haven't seen anything then it must have not happened? Maybe people are a little bit scared of speaking out? Or maybe they are actually speaking out but fox forgot to send a camera crew, iraq is pretty big?

    You should win an award for these words:

    Maybe nobody is speaking out because nobody as insightful as you has ever given the war in Iraq any consideration. Why dont you share some more nuggets of knowledge.
     
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  3. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Since somewhere in the realm of 100 Iraqi's are killing one another every day. And in many cases the dead are turning up either beheaded or having suffered from electric drills....and since the dead are continuously reported as either Sunni or Shiite members of Islam, I'd like to know who is speaking out against this....if any leader of Islam in the Middle East.

    Who?

    I haven't seen anything from leaders of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, Egypt, or Iran.

    I haven't seen any religeous leaders located in that region of the world speak out against these killings.

    Is anyone in that region who is Islamic condeming this particular violence on other members of Islam?
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #24
    I have not seen it from any of the followers either. That includes the followers here at DP.:eek:
     
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    #25

    Maybe you should acknowledge that you can't see what you are looking for because you don't live in any of the countries you are talking about.

    Here in the west we may get all of our facts from the major media corporations but how about the theory of different countries having a completely different system.

    So if a leader of a mosque makes a speach denouncing the violence you want fox to film it? Why would they film that? Nobody want to watch somebody being normal, they would rather show something shocking and violent because they are trying to make as much money as possible.
     
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    #26
    Here is part of an interview with the former prime minister of Iran.

    It touches slightly on Iraq on the 3rd page.

    This idea that people in the middle east want violence to be part of their lives is a fallacy.
     
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  7. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #27
    I live in the Washington DC area and recall when he came here and spoke.

    He is no longer in a position of power in Iran. The current leader has expressed perspectives that are thoroughly different than this guy.

    Is he effectively broadcasting any of these more moderate perspectives in the Middle East? Are there any significant voices within the middle east preaching against violence upon one another.

    Today or yesterday, a suicide bomber blew up a wedding procession, killing at least 11 and injuring many many more including children. I believe the wedding was of Shiites so we can assume the driver was Sunni.

    Anyone loudly speaking against this form of violence which occurs daily?

    The opposite of course was when the Danish cartoons were loudly denounced, marches occurred in various Islamic nations and there was violence and even death because of these cartoons.

    When Islam on Islam violence is so regular, so consistant, so horrible, and evidenced by barbaric levels of torture, and heinous acts like bombing a wedding it is hard to give any level of credibility to leaders who speak of peace, etc. Similarly when these same killings are repeated on a daily basis and not condoned in nations or a region that then sees marches, demonstrations, and death when something as relatively innocuous as cartoons, or comments by the pope are made....it is hard to believe in the humanity, civility, ability to negotiate with the people and nations of this region.


    It would be helpful to find significant voices with clout coming out of that region that speak out against this level of violence.
     
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    #28
    Who caused the people of Iraq to fight for the last 85 years?

    The UK in the 1920's by encircling 3 different peoples into a new nation, now some leaders in the US are suggesting repartitioning Iraq back into three distinct nations.

    Who caused the current fighting in Iraq, Muslims :confused:

    What have western nations done to solve the problems Earl, what have we done to cause them?
     
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    #29
    Ok so you are only looking for examples from leaders of countries.

    What point are you trying to make by saying leaders of Islamic countries are not speaking out against the violence?

    Maybe they are the same leaders that spoke out against the invasion of Iraq in the first place?

    Maybe politicians in the USA and UK should have spoke out against invading Iraq in the first place. Rumsfeld and Cheney said the war would take weeks not months. They had no idea about the sectarian violence that would errupt in Iraq.
     
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  10. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #30
    Do not know what you are mumbling about. I have already given my answer on that.

    - MENJ
     
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    #31
    This article by the director of the Islamic Soceity of Nevada gives a refreshing point of view.
     
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  12. northpointaiki

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    #32
    Yes. After a month of what I would characterize as avoidance and tap-dancing, you mumbled something about the Taliban member blowing away the woman in the video in a public execution was not, uh, Taliban. GREAT answer. Amusing, if it wasn't so tragically inept, IMHO.
     
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  13. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #33
    Sorry, but I have a life outside the WWW and I am not obliged to entertain you 24/7.

    Not my problem, is it?

    - MENJ
     
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    #34
    You don't entertain or amuse me, Menj. You shame your religion. I had no preconceived notion of Islam prior to coming to your posts. Thankfully, I do not form the opinion of anything based on the actions of one. You fool no one.
     
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    #35
    When will they be marching against these murders on the streets? Do they think it might be time to stand firm? Actions not words alone solve problems.
    Regards.
     
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