How do you feel about religion? What are your views?

I'd disagree to that..
There is a difference between religion and organized religion..

When established, religion had a cause. The cause was to unite human under one umbrella. Some religions actually motivated scientific researches.
Greeks, Romans and even Hindus contributed heavily to what you can call as the foundation of modern science.

Its interesting to note that they all believe/believed in multiple Gods..

 

Religion is almost totally opposed to science, if the catholic church still ruled the world with an iron fist. Do you even think science would be allowed to be discussed? The biggest enemy to religion right now is science and technology.

After entering the age of enlightenment and free thinking, religion has started to fall apart from the inside out, that's why religious radicalism has heated back up these people want to fulfill their political agenda of infiltrating global government so they can control the course of humanity science and technology. There are those that are totally apposed to free thinking intuition and innovation.

 

You are assuming that Religion = Church, That's wrong..

Church = Organized Religion - A bunch of people herding the horde of sheeps.

Religion in it's originality was much different that that..
As I said, look at the Greek, Roman or Hindu contribution to science, technology and medicine. They had religions, but Science was not oppressed in these civilizations.

 

How Ironical then that the Renascence was born in Catholic Italy and that the modern way of thinking and the waves of innovation spurred from that 1 moment .

 

If your religion does not help you become a better person.
Does not help you live better.

What do you need it for?

Religion must come into your live for improvement and uplifting. And it must not be at the expense of others. It must bring dood to you and everyone else. Yes it should be bringing higher ideals.

 

Tired head.

 

"Those who listen to the saying, and follow the best of it. Those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones who possess understanding. (18)" [Quran: Ch.39]

That is what I feel when I listen to the word "religion".


Note: I don't claim that I always apply the rule above. Sometimes I don't, and so I am a real wrong doer.

Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, said: "Every son of Adam is wrong doer, and the best of wrong doers are the repenting ones."

 

So true helvetii, if you have showed some honesty for some religions then let me be honest and say that most of the religions except some are pure BS. I know you have read a lot on hinduism. Can you tell me why you left it. There are so many scientific facts in it.

Anyway you asked how many threads are started by atheists every day. Please go and visit stox profile. If you still dont get the answer then ask me to elaborate and i will.

 

hey, blue avatars are back

 

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In all, the Renaissance could be viewed as an attempt by intellectuals to study and improve the secular and worldly, both through the revival of ideas from antiquity, and through novel approaches to thought.


I believe the Medici and the Liberalism of that time were far more responsible for the Renaissance than the tacit tolerance by the Catholic Church.

The problem with Organized Religion is the misnommer they use to "relying" on a God that has expelled them rather than the commandment form that God to find for themselves the reason for their expulsion / dissent as the reason for their Religion to exist.

Yes, science and all factual studies are the proper way for Mankind to establish the True Religion, understanding mankind's role in life...a pathway to the Everlasting if desired.

 

First of all, If you want me to take you even a bit seriously, stop calling me Helvetti.. I have said it countless times that I don't appreciate such childish behavior. With that the only thing you are achieving that proving yourself as an ass in my eyes. I'm here for mature discussion, not baseless accusations or name calling. If you are mature enough, you should understand that.

Now, I was born and raised as a Hindu. My mother and my grandparents were orthodox religious, but my father is an agnostic.

As I grew up a teen, I started thinking about religion and the corruption it brings to society. I wondered if religion is good, if God is good then why it divides the world so badly?

So I studied Bhagwat Geeta to understand what does it mean to be a Hindu. Upon many years of Pondering, I realized Hinduism is not a religion but simply a way to live much like Buddhism. It's a cryptic message, the whole Geeta is. It simply tells you that there is no life before or after this life. Nothing in the sky.. This is the life that you got.

It does not require you to believe in or worship the gods, it only asks you to be a good human. I believe in Hinduism as a moral science, not a mindless religion. I believe in being a good human, I don't believe in Gods or Goddesses. I understand why religion was important for us, and how it contributed in our evolution as society, and once you understand that, you don't need to follow it blindly.

You don't need faith in unseen unheard Gods to find the truth, you need an open mind and independent thinking. Just like Siddhartha who went on to become Gautama Buddha.
He found the truth, because he asked questions, he didn't accept life, death or illness as the mere wish of God.


PS: As far as Stox goes, he is one atheist, also most of his thread are just news reports exposing the poison that the religion spreads.. And even that doesn't match the number of threads started by religious people claiming how God is real.

I'm an atheist, that too a vocal one, but I don't care about your beliefs as long as you keep it to yourself. I'm not going to go to you and ask -'Hey, why do you believe in God, you know that God is not real'. You believe in God, good for you. But if you come to me and claim that God is real, I'll argue that. If you'll make a thread asking for my opinion, I'll tell you that. If you don't want to hear my opinion, don't ask for it.

Of course you being religious and me being atheist.

 

I would better not repeat what i told stox in an arguement before.

You see who is more desperate now.

 

As I said, he is one atheist.. And what he says or does is his point of view..
An atheist in general doesn't go and 'preach' his knowledge..

Why do you see tens of thousands of threads by different religious people preaching how everyone should believe in some God. How many threads by Stox in comparison? A couple hundreds? If you were to evaluate honestly, you'd have seen who comes out desperate...

 

You're joking, right? I'm assuming you believe on one of the three Abrihamic gods, gods which have promised me an eternity of suffering for questioning their existence. So how can threats of eternal torture for not believing in your god equate to free will? I am no more free, according to your religion, than someone being robbed at gun point would be. If your god it to be believed you are compelled through threats of violence to believe.

My blog isn't about converting you, it's about exposing you. If the religious didn't constantly want special treatment, legislation passed to make others abide by their rules or teach my children lies and mythology in science class i wouldn't care what mindless crap you believed in. As soon as what you believe effects how i can live my life i reserve the right to say "hang on a minute, what you believe in is obviously complete shit".

Better hope you picked the right one then, because what if you're wrong and it's allah, thor or odin that exists. Don't assume that if there is a god it will be your one.

Also, did you really just admit to only behaving morally because you think there is a celestial dictator monitoring you? How frightening.

I blame religion for religious extremists. What, besides religion, could justify the things done in the name of religion? What could make an otherwise perfectly reasonable person take a blade to their newborn sons penis? Religion. What could make an otherwise sane person starve their children for weeks as part of a ritual? Religion.

 

isn't it the same God the monotheistic religions believe in? (broken record...)

 

The de Medici where heavy sponsors of the church as for the liberalism concepts the ideological foundations weren't written until the late XVIII century .

@stOx since you're bent on exposing religion why don't you expose atheism 2 ? Stalin , Mao or Pol Pot where avid atheist that where very fond of targeting religious leaders in their genocide . Oh wait atheism is perfect ... so perfect that it is responsible for the slaughter of almost 100 million people by pseudo science .

 

Doesn't matter either.. I follow the same moral compass as any religious. (probably even more so)

If I'm wrong, and there is a God and he sends me to hell for exercising my free will, that he gave to me, despite being a good human then let it be..
If it is doing anything, it's exposing his hypocrisy, egoistic and torturous nature.

"Well you'd been a good soul, alright but you know what? You didn't believe in ME, you denied my existence, you imbecile.. Rot in Hell forever...muahahahahahahahaha"

Stalin or Mao being an atheist is as much relevant as Hitler being a Catholic.

You are forgetting one thing, that was common between Hitler, Stalin and Mao.. They all were totalitarian..
Mao and Stalin saw religion as a rival, they wanted an authority above all, their disbelief in God is not there to blame. Their belief in communism was the cause.

Should I say that because Hitler was a Catholic, every catholic is responsible for all the deaths by Nazis?
Can I hold every Romanian responsible for deaths of Jews in WW-II? Since Romania sided with the axis?

 

Not a fan of labels and "atheism" is no different. Saying "I am an atheist" is similar to stating "America sucks" or "My government is corrupt." and leaving it at that. Where is the alternative? It seems a little too easy for me to just push someone into a box and then have the box represent that person.

It would be more useful to leave the labels and simply debunk the Bible (if you can) and research evolution.


If you believe others fall for a lie, only discovery of truth can make a difference. And btw. organized atheism is no better than organized religion:



[video=youtube;mC35KHoI6_E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC35KHoI6_E[/video]

 

That logic is beyond me mate.. How is saying "I'm an atheist" similar to stating "America sucks"?
What box? I'm not asking anyone to believe in what I believe. Its my belief, I don't feel like living in a box.

You talk about not labeling anything, but it's ironic that you are labeling things yourself..

Also alternative for what?

Why should I debunk the Bible? It's gonna be a waste of my time debunking Bible or Quran or anything.. People choose what they believe in. If they placed their blind faith in Bible, debunking it not gonna change their faith, unless they open their mind to accept the reasoning that goes against their faith. And once they do that, there will be no need for me to debunk the Bible, they will do it themselves.

As far as discovery of truth goes, each has to find his own truth.. My truth is not necessarily true enough for you.

Lastly, The guy in video is living in a box himself with a load of hypocrisy.. He got a problem with people bashing Christianity, yet he has no problem bashing Islam..
My point is, why should I bash any religion, Christianity or Islam or Hinduism or Judaism? If I'm gonna talk about my 'freedom', then I must accept the same 'freedom' for others.
I may think that they are wrong, but its their right to believe in whatever they want to.. If you are happy worshiping papercups, who am I to question that? That's your freedom, whatever works for you.

As long as you respect my freedom to believe in whatever I want to, you keep your faith to yourself, you don't preach me how am I wrong, you don't ask for my opinion, I'm not gonna bother you. And that's what I think, And yes I'm an atheist.

 

What I mean is that to me the term atheism states that you don't believe in a god. It doesn't state what exactly it is you believe in regards to how we came to be on this earth etc. Things people obviously are interested in, otherwise religion wouldn't be such an easy sale.

Where?

An alternative for the Book of Genesis for example. If it wasn't creationism then what was it and how did the first molecule come to be?

I agree. Maybe it's best to just ignore people's beliefs and state what you yourself think is truth.

True, but wouldn't it be easier just to show evidence of something that is more likely it rather than saying "Your religion is wrong, now find out on your own what the truth is".

It's only one of his videos. Here is another one:



[video=youtube;P4dSiHqpULk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dSiHqpULk[/video]


The one I posted before is where he claims that organized atheism shies back from criticizing Islam for the sake of political correctness while making a living and gaining notoriety from only targeting Christianity.

Fair enough. But again: "Atheist" is just a label and a word. It doesn't give me any clue in regards to what you believe. It only tells me that you don't believe that there is a god.