Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

And others use immigration to serve the exact same purpose. What's the difference, isn't hatred towards another person hatred, no matter how you frame it?

 

Is opposing illegal immigration same as opposing all immigration?

 

Equating opposition to illegal immigration to hatred of legal immigrants is like saying someone hates intercourse because they disapprove of rapists.

 

Isn't hatred towards another person hatred, no matter how you frame it?

He is pointing at someone saying their hate causes problems. I am not equating nothing, just pointing out hatred is hatred. Whether we're talking about hatred of the person who killed your grandmother or hatred of the Jewish race. All is bad. I know he HATES a certain kind of person...what's the difference between any hatreds?

 

Is hatred always bad? Is hating a pedophile bad? Is hating a psychotic murderer bad? Had Hitler deserved love?

 

Just making a clarification Bush. I've yet to see O'Nation make any statements that suggest he "hates" immigrants (whether legal or otherwise)... so I dont see where your statement... "And others use immigration to serve the exact same purpose" applies to O'Nations statement you quoted. Supporting the rule of law or the integrity of your border doesnt mean you hate somebody, nor does having empathy for the plight of illegal aliens mean you must also be willing to ignore the laws regulating the border. Your statement is a non-sequiter to the post you quoted.

 

Just a quick note on the border issue.States along the U.S. Mexican border are going slowly bankrupt owing to the high costs of maintaining border patrols,enforcement,the burdens on the healthcare system,education etc.Illegal immigration is costly.Opposing it has nothing at all to do with racism or other propaganda garbage.

 

imho yes. let's assume there was a God (because they both believe that), then do you think he would care what the hatred was about? And if so, when good and bad is so arbitrary, why?

My statement purposefully didn't say Obamanation, it said 'others' - I do believe he hates them but purposefully did not say that because my post was simply to point out everyone hates 'something'. Just to let ya know, I don't normally respond to 'Bush' and won't be in future. My nick is Bushranger. Bush is George, in my head, maybe he might answer to that?

 

I love it when Turkish Naval ships escorting aid to Gaza end up on southern border of US, delivering aid to illegal immigrants at God's will

Seriously Bushranger? I'm not going to make a hypothesis here, I'm not assuming God..

I'm a human and I know, I have no reason to not to hate a pedophile and a psychotic murderer and Hitler..

You may love illegal immigrants, some of us don't. I have no problem with anyone coming to my country through legal channels, regardless of their race, religion or anything..
But I do have a problem with someone entering my country illegally. I'm not okay with that. I don't necessarily 'hate' them, I just dislike it, I don't support it and I want it to stop.

When I don't like it in my country, I can not support the same for any country, be it USA or Australia or whatever.

 

Garfield,how many times do I have to tell you?........ Lay off the catnip!

 

Had to bring it in line with the forum or they might move it into world news.

ADDED: Plus, it is sorta still on track - Israel has the same problem it's just they keep moving the borders.

 

I hate liver. Everyone has to stand on principle sometimes, and in this case I'd rather stand on it than eat it.

 

Now I see why you are so confused. Several studies bear out that long term abuse of psychedelic drugs (LSD, Psilocybin) can cause this kind of dementia.

I'll answer your question with a question. Are you a hater of hatred?

Answer my question without calling yourself a hater. You might actually arrive at an answer to your question in the process.

 

It's definitely on track.. Just we are delivering aid to all wrong people now

PS: I love it when someone jacks a thread of IsraeI and turn it in a somewhat useful discussion..

 

Religion #1 How dare you stand on a piece of liver,it is from God...infidel!
Religion #2 You can eat liver but never on Fridays.
Religion #3 You must ensure that you have been circumcised prior to eating.
Non religious...hell no,I ain't eatin' that s**t!
Point is we will never totally agree on everything,we all have such different backgrounds and faiths.The only thing that can bring us together is simple human kindness...that it appears is in short supply.On this issue one sees the supply ships as aid to the oppressed.The other sees the ships as arms supplies to terrorists.Both sides have valid points.But trust is gone and there seems be no way to talk it out.

 

My religion: Liver is God, worship it you clown!!

 

Fair enough you are allowed to hate whoever you want however what good does it do? How is hatred helpful to anyone but yourself? imho hatred is selfish (and yes sometimes even I am selfish).

Here's where my problem is with the immigrants theories. Your country? What makes it your country? What, in reality, gives you the right to say that it's your country apart from laws we made up to divide (& conquer) each other? It's a piece of land that's all. Why do I need to pay the gov (or anybody) money to get a piece of paper to visit your land? Why can't I stay and spend my money there too? etc.. etc..

I'm not arguing that you should have to pay for my meals, I can afford that myself, unless of course you have just bombed my house and killed my innocent main wage-earner of course.. then surely it's beholden of you to feed me..?

But if we're all supposedly born equal then why do we have separate countries as such? Why is it that you in America or India have a much better life than me in Somalia or indeed Mexico when every single American / Australian / Indian town is as different as every Mexican town?

What makes your land yours...why do you claim it as all yours when in reality you would probably never need or afford more than a few acres at most. How can someone living in a rough justice country escape to a better life?

 

Hmm, so now we are going the anarchist way.. Alright..

With your logic, there is nothing wrong with robbing or stealing.. I mean what makes anything yours? Just because you paid for it doesn't make it yours.

We all are born equal.. so,
Why is it that you make $130K dollars in an year while I'm making nada? Your money should be taken away from you and distributed equally to everyone. What makes it your money?
Why is it so that you are living in a 3 bedroom condo while I'm a hobo? I should get into your house and start living in it. What makes it your house?
Why is it that you drive a car while I don't even have a bicycle? I should get your car. What makes it your car?

What makes it yours, except for few laws that made you the owner of these things.. Laws are there to make my life miserable, while giving you unfair advantage.. Doesn't matter that you work your ass off to make these things possible, while I'm a lazy ass waste of oxygen.. After all, we all are born equal...

 

No, I'm not going anarchist route, that's the aboriginal belief where "everything" is everyone's. Though that may work that's not what i'm arguing.

Firstly, you don't own the land. It was here well before you got here and will be here well after you leave. You haven't personally paid for it (except possibly the few acres you may have purchased for your own use). You have temporarily leased it if anything and that simply means you now need to pay the government protection money (rates).

The rest of your argument I don't understand. I know you won't be pulling an Obamanation where it will be laced full of tricks so I can't understand your points. Your own stuff is your own stuff. At no point do I say other people should be allowed to take advantage of you which to me makes them moot points.

Why does making a global economy to end the point of wars mean you can steal each others stuff?

 

As a hater of hatred, it sounds as though you are often selfish.

A system of laws(also just paper) state that it is our land, just as a system of laws says your land is yours, and that nobody can just move into your home against your will. These are prety basic concepts.

Sure you are. We provide food, education, and lodging for our poor by means of private charities and government charity. When the world's poor to flood in beyond the established legal immigration limits, those programs become unsustainable at their orignally budgeted levels, leaving the choice of cancelling the programs for everyone, or enforcing the immigration laws.

Because we have a system of laws(see above) that is enforced, so drug warlords cant just move in and stake out a piece of turf, using terrorism to hold power. Again, simple concepts.

Give according to your ability, receive according to your needs. I've heard this somewhere before. I don't recall it working out so well.

Rise to power in your "rough justice" country, or better yet, work to make where you live better. "My house sucks, so I'm moving into yours" is hardly a philosophy you are going to get a lot of support for.