9/11/2011: Ten Years, No Justice

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    Experts Speak Out, with victim families, friends, and associates.


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    9/11/2011: Ten Years, No Justice

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    High-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, are calling for a new investigation into what happened on 9/11 ..

    48% of New Yorkers Support a New Investigation into Building 7′s Collapse - Source

    Do you support a new investigation ? Are you going to join the thousands of demonstrators in New York on 9/11?
     
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  2. Bushranger

    Bushranger Notable Member

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    Having watched the 9/11 documentary on our TV last night I notice there was a fair bit of plane wreckage at the Pentagon. Alex (Infowars) Jones leaves much of this out in his docco, in fact he makes a point of saying there was no wreckage as 'it was a bomb'.

    That's not what I saw yesterday, there was definately plane wreckage there. What else is he totally bullshitting about to make his case?
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    I fully support an investigation to find the remaining terrorists and blow their head off with a 20mm grenade . This includes the cyber terrorist that fill the net with propaganda in the hope to twist more minds and recruit more people to their demented cause .
     
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  4. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    There's many theories out there, people just want a new unbiased independent investigation, that's all. The sceptics will not go away and be silenced, in fact they seem to be growing.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I know as an American I appreciate your genuine concern.

    I think a large measure of justice was served when Bin Laden was killed by our armed forces and dumped unceremoniously in the ocean. With any luck, the rest of the Islamic terrorists intent on harming Americans or American interests will meet the same fate.

    Again, thank you for your concern that we get justice for the attacks committed by those trying to do, what they think, is Allah's will.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    Most people are not effected directly by terrorists but everyone in Europe is suffering because of Romanians. Almost 80% of people that I know here have their house burglarized by criminal Romanian gangs. People are getting to the point that thinking Romanians should be killed like the stray dogs with a bullet in their head to clean Europe from their criminality, what do you think?
     
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    The Webby Peon

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    Generalizing Romanians is as bad as generalizing Muslims or any other groups for that matter..
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    On the positive side my statement is closer to the truth than his BS,LOL.
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    Quite right,sweeping generalizations are not only unfair but foolish.Having said that Romania does have a big problem.Unlike their neighbors their economy is not doing well and poverty is rampant.Poverty breeds evils like lack of education and low self esteem,resentments,anger,hopelessness etc.So we do have a large underclass in this country and yes crime is a serious issue in Romania as is corruption and avarice.
    This problem is often exported and others are forced to deal with it.(Romanian gangs)
     
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    Watching today's news - OMG America is one hell of a paranoid country...!

    'we have to take this threat seriously...' hmmm, scarier times ahead it seems.

    It is 'credible, but it has not been corroborated' - this isn't good for anyone...surely.
     
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    I think we should meet up for a drink :D
     
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    The country has been dealing with terrorist attacks from the same general source (radical islamists from the middle east and thereabouts) since well before the 9/11 WTC attack (the USS Cole, the '96 car bomb at the WTC, etc) and has been dealing with similar but less successful attempts since then. Being vigilant to evidence of a threat isn't "paranoia" if someone really has made multiple attempts to kill you.

    A friend of mine is a Navy intel ex who was pulled back to active duty after the WTC bombing because prior to it he'd written a little heeded paper that appeared to predict just such an event. He's currently in a related civilian role that monitors the type of "chatter" that surges prior to the commission of an attack. Bear in mind that they may have extremely credible verification in some instances, but to announce that would compromise the source. In counter-terrorism it doesn't necessarily benefit those you're protecting to announce exactly what you know, what you're guessing at, and who provided the info.

    Unless terrorists decide to send us an agenda with a timeline and map of planned attacks before the event, the only rational response to surges in chatter that predict specific threats is to take steps to deal with them based on the best intel available. That doesn't mean disclosing the nature of the intel, it just means responding to it.

    History and a basic understanding of human nature tell us the al Qaida types would want to recognize the 10 yr anniversary of 9/11 with a followup attack. Multiple attacks since then have been publicly foiled and the extermination of OBL dealt their prestige a blow. They'd love to prove they're a player on the world stage, not a semi-defunct movement floundering with financial difficulties and a vacuum at the top since many of their visible leaders have been killed or captured.

    Obviously the intel guys have seen chatter that provides a credible basis to indicate there's a planned car bombing event in DC and or NYC to correspond with the 9/11 observances. I wouldn't expect the intel guys to give details of what they know... But the fact that they've taken the issue public says it's more than "paranoia".

    This is a big country with extremely lax border security. You need not be an expert on the topic to figure out there will eventually be another major attack that is not foiled beforehand, and a lot of people will die. That's a foregone conclusion. You can't stop every one AND maintain anything approaching a free country. All you can do is make your best efforts to combat the attempts you get wind of beforehand.

    ADDED: btw... As far as the BS that Kareem has posted in this thread, I'd echo what Browntown said. As much as Kareem (solar_products) wishes otherwise, 9/11 commemorates a disgraceful act done in the name of Allah. No revisionist opinion poll that tries to blame someone besides the slimy Islamic radicals involved will remove the taint from their actions. Starting a thread to pretend he wants justice for the victims is a transparently false premise. Rather than a transparent attempt to shift blame, he'd be wise to discredit their deed, but he's long since provided ample evidence he approved of their disgusting act.
     
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    You are mostly right, but there's a big difference between romanians and the gypsies who are making these awful acts. In 99% of the cases gypsies are the ones that comit these felonies and in 99% of the cases unfortunatelly they don't have the gipsy nationality. Gypsies have their own nationality, but they tend to use another one(eg Romanian), because they can get access inside EU. The problem is that their origin countries can't do anything against them, because of the human rights. The only thing that can be done is to put all gypsies that comit unlawful acts in jail.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_(Romani_subgroup)
     
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    @andrei10
    And Romanian gypsies are very poor which goes back to my point in post #9.The issue isn't one of race but of poverty as it is in so many parts of the world.
     
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    Most of them aren't poor , in fact the large majorities of them drive BMWs and Mercs . Those that are poor aren't poor because they're gypsies but due to causes similar for extreme poverty among Romanians .
     
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    You know as well as I do that gypsy leaders drive those fancy cars not the common people.Please don't bend or twist the facts.
     
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    For those unaware, a search in this forum on the word "romanian" will verify that the frequent references by Gworld are just race-based personal attacks on another member of this forum.

    I'd caution against encouraging the practice by treating the frequent references as if motivated by anything other than a desire to troll. If you review his post record you'll find trolling is his sole contribution to any discussion, which is why he's been banned more times than anyone on this board.
     
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    I know better then you do since I can see the situation and have a large number of gypsy friends . A gypsy will live in conditions that we would consider quite bad but would have a BMW . So please don't try to talk about things you don't have direct contact with .
     
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    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    @ApocalypseXl
    You have a masters degree,you no doubt have educated gypsy friends.Do you think they are indicative of the rank and file of Romanian gypsies as a whole? And are you suggesting that because I don't live there I am ignorant and don't know what I'm talking about? I too am educated and well traveled.
    La revedere amice,vorbim altadata.
     
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  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Here we go again.. Romanians... Lovely.. I suppose Romanians are to blame for the weather too.
     
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