Pros and Cons with communism

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by latehorn, Feb 14, 2006.

  1. Blogmaster

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    #181
    Yeah, it's ok in moderation :)
     
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  2. latehorn

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    #182
    WHAAAT?? Globalists did not create communism, Communism was a small labour movement from the beginning.
     
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    #183
    Man, that ignore button has been refreshing.. It is nice to see the quoted ramblings once and a while... Tesla in moderation is a ok!
     
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    #184
    I want tesla to prove that communism was created by globalists!!
     
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    #185
    I know that this topic is old and that I am a new user, but I find it horrific how the arts are tossed around this thread as unimportant. As an art student in a multitude of areas attending a prominent ART school in Seattle I can confidently say that life would indeed be miserable without art. Imagine if you will a world without books, design, music, movies, use of colour, story telling, and according to Plato, Mathematics. Art in many minds IS a standard of living, and communisms attempt to create an equal standard of living without it was one it's downfalls, life without beauty makes it too hard to take your focus off of the disgusting injustices that every government commits. Indeed, a government void entirely of all art will fail.
     
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    #186
    Pros: equality
    Cons: Too much power given to the government.
     
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    #187
    Pros: Russian women- Hot hot!
    Cons: Russian men- mm, not so hot.
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

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    #188
    Art is outside of the purview of government.

    Seriously, have you seen government art?

    That's not what anyone wants.

    Art should be a luxury, something that men (and women) strive for.
     
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    #189
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    Friends, workers, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury conservatism, not to praise it.
    The evil of the right lives after them...
     
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    #190
    The American government murdered a couple of their own people at Rudy Ridge and just under one hundred of their own people at Waco.

    The Soviets murdered 20 million of their own people.

    See, Communism is more efficient. :D
     
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    #191
    I believe that was Stalinism. There is yet to be a proper Marxist or Communist state.
     
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    #192
    I laugh when people say things like that. Every Communist state has turned out pretty much the same. Communism inevitably leads to poverty, famine, a total loss of individual freedom, and institutionalized statist violence against the citizenry.

    But all of the Commophiles still beg "Give us another chance!"
     
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    #193
    I expect nothing more than what you've just said. I am right though, you cannot deny that a state which Karl Marx designed has been followed.

    That's funny, those elements exist today in all western countries :rolleyes:
     
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    #194
    Let me try to put this into perspective once again...

    The American government murdered a couple of their own people at Rudy Ridge and just under one hundred of their own people at Waco.

    The Soviets murdered 20 million of their own people.

    So yes, "elements" of bad things exist everywhere.

    With Communism, those "elements" of bad things just happen to be the dominant force in society.
     
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    #195
    I agree. There has never been a realized Marxist society. The closest I know, on an extremely limited, nascent scale, were the Communes, or the National Workshops of Louis Blanc.

    I would also say there is yet to be a proper Capitalist state. In the industrialized western democracies, industrialization grew up under the exigent force of state power aligned with heavy industry; state credit and financial systems strategically favored those industries that would bring strength to the burgeoning national entity, vis-a-vis more powerful, earlier-developed nations. Labor was a mere "3rd leg," and government clearly intervened to quash any disruptions to the national plan. The truly open market - for goods, for labor - and the "invisible hand" has never been realized in practice.
     
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    #196
    When you say truly open market, are you including the ability to form monopolies and/or cartels? If so, that shows how bad a real Capitalist state would be.
     
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    I am speaking of a truly open, private market - without state intervention. In all putatively held "capitalist" societies of today, the market was radically skewed by state intervention on behalf of heavy industry, and this structure carried ramifications that continue today.
     
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    #198
    OK, I don't like the sound of a laissez-faire private market.
     
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    #199
    Yeah, freedom and wealth suck. We should all be poor and oppressed. That would be cool! :rolleyes:
     
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    #200
    Isn't communism the democrats new agenda for vote? the "No Retard left behind" act of 2007??
     
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