Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

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  1. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #21
    Remember how Israel broke a ceasefire:

    [video=youtube;KntmpoRXFX4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4[/video]

    Rick Sanchez is fired now, because it's forbidden to talk about this.

    Lift the blockade, both sides should agree to a ceasefire and get on with life.

    If they don't lift the blockade I'm afraid their image abroad will only worsen and they will continue to piss everyone off.
     
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    #22
    Piss off who ? North America doesn't care , South America doesn't even know WTF Palestina is , Europe likes Israel more then it's nutjob neighbours and we don't really care about the blockade , East Asia doesn't care , Oceania is enjoying spring and generally doesn't care about international stuff and Russia doesn't care .

    So the only people who might give a dam are in the Middle East and North Africa and those people didn't even bothered to move a finger .

    Even the UN said that Israel has the right to establish the blockade so you should ask those outside the UN to intervene .
     
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  3. IsraeI

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    #23
    "A mere 10% of Europeans agree that their countries should support Israel rather than the Palestinians; while almost four folds, 39%, disagree."

    Source - http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk...l-reveals-massive-disillusionment-with-israel

    They do not have the public support in the West as they used to have, the Western governments is another story.

    The unjust war on Gaza that left 1400 dead, the interceptions and raids of humanitarian vessels to Gaza, the continued brutal blockade and the building of illegal settlements on Palestinian terroritories do not solve a thing for Israel but only make matters worse, their reputation has been plummeting for years.

    Nowadays support in North America and Europe for the Israeli regime mostly consists of right-wingers, neo-nazis and Christian fundamentalists [who believe in getting back the "holy land"] like yourself.

    I'm not asking for anyone to intervene, it's clear that Israel is on a road to self destruction if they don't stop acting like Nazi's.
     
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    #24
    LOL Terrorist your pathetic propaganda attempts amuse me . I especially enjoy seeing you try to lie to me with statistics when I'm trained to create statistics and evaluate their validity . In your case however common sense is more then enough to debunk your so called facts .

    So according to the Middle East Monitor (a.k.a. the how we want to see stuff website , 24/7 Palestine related propaganda) 90% of the Europeans support Palestine , the thing is they don't publish their sources and how this number was reached . Therefore anyone can conclude that the numbers where magically pulled out of the butt after a lecture from Mein Quran . In other news 85% of the people on Earth have keep Bigfoot in their bathroom for at least one night .

    The terrorists fired over 8600 missiles at Israel , do you blame them for defending their own lives ? No you just think that anyone that doesn't embrace Islamofascism need to die .

    OFC I'm a Christian fundamentalist , this is the reason why i decapitate all my atheist friends then blow myself up .... oh wait that's what you do .

    The Juice is Natzi , the irony can't be bigger no matter how hard you try . As for them being on the road to self destruction .... well they kind of kicked you ass countless times and have been there for 50 years . They're not doing bad .
     
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    #25
    You are trained in dismissing any statistics that you don't like, you don't have to tell me that.

    No that's not what it suggests at all, put on your glasses and actually read before saying anything. Don't try and change the subject to "support for Palestine" either, I have been specifically talking about the decline in support for Israel.

    Then kill the terrorists, don't kill and oppress the innocent.

    And Jesus will take you in his rapture when he comes back to Israel.
     
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    #26
    The Process :

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    #27
    Middle East Monitor? Seriously? In Association with AL-Zazeera? That's your source?
    What Europeans did they interview? Muslims living in Europe? How about a little more credible source? Do you have one?

    Blame Hamas for all that shit.. They should really stop firing rockets on Israeli civilians and using human shields.
    I'm all for peaceful solution, I know for a fact that Israeli people want peace, and many of them feel that Israel is coming out a little too harsh, but peace is hard to achieve when one side is launching rockets on civilians of the other side.

    PS: I agree that Israel sometimes retaliates with a little too much force. But hey, that's Israel and it got balls and money, and you simply don't fuck with Israel without facing the heat.
     
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    #28
    @ApocalypseXL
    I'd like to make a small correction to your post #24.Israel has not been there for 50 years,rather 62 years.The state was created in 1949.Also there was 500,000 Jews living in what was then Palestine previously.These Jews had been there since the dawn of time.There has always been a small Jewish population there before the state was created.The Romans under Titus made most of them refugees but some stayed in remote areas.Prior to Titus there was an estimated 1 million Jews in what was ancient Judea.
     
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    #29
    Come on Apocalypse, surely you must have better than cartoons. Why don't you tell us how Jesus will come back to Israel and save you in his rapture?

    It's actually common knowledge that support for Israel is declining, no need for stats about this, and this survey was conducted by ICM Research, I don't see problems with them. Here is the full survey - http://www.icmresearch.com/pdfs/2011_march_memo_israelpalestine_poll.pdf

    Hamas and Israel had a ceasefire, unfortunately the insane regime of Israel broke it. Not that I support Hamas or Hezbollah or anything, I just don't want Israel to continue oppressing the innocent in this way.

    Seriously don't you see how wrong it is to siege them, then break the ceasefire, then blame it on them and kill 1400 of them while destroying their infrastructure ? For many decades Israeli propaganda was fooling everyone, but things are changing now.

    Let's not open this can of worms, Israelites came years after their uncle.
     
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    #30
    I'm sorry but just don't see any of these credible enough for such claims..
    What's ICM? I couldn't find anything in google. The above search phrase returns top three results from the same site you quoted, the same article. Rest are copycat sites, citing the same shit over and over..

    Also, if the research was genuine, how come there is no link in the article linking the original results and the research page?

    I told you, I'm all for peaceful solution and my heart goes out for people of Gaza. I agree that Israel sometimes retaliate with too much force. But I don't really hold Israel sole responsible for situation. Disarm and remove Hamas, stop killing Israeli civilians and I will be the most vocal if Israel violets ceasefire.
     
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    #31
    Here is their website - http://www.icmresearch.com

    The full survey with all questions and answers can be found here - http://www.icmresearch.com/european...ine-conflict-for-middle-east-monitor-03-03-11

    There's nothing wrong with these statistics, but I understand why someone like Apocalypse would dismiss them.
     
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    #33
    And for a good reason. Let's wish them success. May Allah help'em! As soon as he is finished remodeling my bathroom, that is
     
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    #34
    Israel like the US is a Bully.
     
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    #36
    Birds of the same feather flock together.
     
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    #37
    Here we are,it's 1949 only 4 years after the end of the second world war.You have an enormous number of displaced Jews with no place to go.So Britain and France come up with this brilliant idea of creating a Jewish state right in the middle of Arab countries.What could possibly go wrong?...........And we see the result.Honestly I don't see any real hope for peace in the middle east.I fear the misery and the bloodshed will continue,with "truces" in between the violence.
     
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    #38
    It was a terrible idea, nothing brilliant about it. If they came and lived as citizens they'd had no problems because Jews lived and still live all over the middle east without much problems, but particularly these Zionists wanted to come and take over, they had evil motivations, you can expect conflict if your intentions are evil, this a hard reality to accept, but it is what it is.

    It's ironic for a people who have suffered at the hands of Hitler to now act like Hitler himself.

    Perhaps when the Israeli regime stops building on Palestinian land, removes the blockade and lets go of East Jerusalem, recognizes Palestine's 1967 borders, perhaps then there will be peace. I know this won't happen because the current Israeli regime is an extreme one.

    They can also support the upcoming Palestinian bid for statehood this month, 140 countries are expected to vote at the UN for a new Palestinian state, something the Israeli regime will be furious about.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...es-to-back-its-statehood-bid-shaath-says.html

    One thing I am sure of is that if Israel continues with what they are doing now they will only make enemies in the region and outside the region, and that's not in their interest.
     
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    #39
    Well what do you suggest was better to do with all those Jews? They are from Asia originally, they are not Europeans, not whites, so why was it bad to send them whereever they came out from originally? They belong in Israel. As for them bossing around your local knuckleheads , sorry, it was a sacrifice I was willing to make.
     
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    #40
    It was a bad idea to ship them to an area already occupied, so what if they are originally from there, so are the Arabs. The results of this "bad idea" are there for you to see.

    As I said, if they came in a non-aggressive way to just live there, there would be no issues, but they had make their own state, kick out inhabitants, steal their land and systematically murder them. Why is nobody having problems with Jews in Iran for instance?
     
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