Has the USA infiltrated Australian politics?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Bushranger, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. #1
    Yes. I could stop right there, but I won't. Indeed I will prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the USA is actively involved in choosing Australia's leaders.

    Let's start with what Wikileak's cable releases say the gist of the conversation was between our countries.

    Not only does the Wikileaks cables account give a blow-by-blow of American/Australian politics over the last few years, it also sets the tones for the American ambassador's thoughts about each party member. Mcallum speaks about our Prime Minister as if Mcallum himself was running the party in opposition here.

    The cables cite many of the different moves the US has made and also gives their opinions on each member, for instance this one describes our new PM Rudd.

    Please note: ALL quotes here are from the cables sent by the US ambassador here, back home. You can use the above link to get the full cable.

    These cables BTW are from Macallum, the US ambassador:

    WTF would this matter to America? Why are they interfering and talking as if it was the opposition leader, the conservative John Howard.

    Here, US ambassador McCallum gets upset because our PM Rudd did not support Israel.

    I am establishing here that the US is not happy with our choice of PM. Here McCallum gets upset because our PM sided with China.

    Once again, just days later Rudd gets attacked...this one by Ambassador Clune?

    Here's where they start working on a replacement for our PM, sounding out ministers who might fill the need to do what the USA need/expect us to do. Gillard is the opposite of our PM Rudd. Whilst Rudd is in the left faction of the ALP Gillard is a member of the right. Looks like it's time to start talking up her benefits.

    Now it was at this stage where our news was plastered with Gillard for days on end telling us all how there's rumblings of a leadership takeover. She famously denies the allegations saying that there's more chance of her becoming full foward for her favourite footy team, the Bulldogs.

    Now most importantly, you must support Israel!
    Now, let's talk about Mark Arbib.

    So, remember Australia just chucked out a right-wing warmonger in favour of a left-wing approach...

    Now that Aussies are absolutely anti-right as shown by what they did to the last PM, how do we get the rightwing a look-in now? I know says the USA, we'll tell them that they like each other...

    Here they seem to admit Rudd is a popular PM. A slip up?

    I haven't drawn the final conclusion yet but I'm still on the case...

    This is just the beginning of the evidence, much more to come...
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    Wow! What a revelation. Wait. That's not quite the phrase to describe this. What I meant to say, is how incredibly bland and trivial. I think it's funny how you actually seem genuinely shocked that politicians have opinions about other politicians. LOL.
     
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  3. Bushranger

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    Nice of you to notice. Now, a little more of the back story...do let me know when it gets exciting won't you...it's got spies and they're always excitiing aren't they?

    Whilst the only actual direct piece of evidence of CIA involvement in the 1975 Dismissal comes from Chris Boyce (of "Falcon and the Snowman" fame) who claimed during his espionage trial that the whole reason why he decided to start spying against the US was because of a misdirected CIA message he received at TRW's Black Room, which acknowledged the involvement of the CIA, there are other pointers. The entire episode was very similar to that of the destruction of Allende's government in Chile in 1973. Destabilisation was the new in word in the CIA at that time (although, they had used the concept in several operations in the 1950's) and Chile had taken the concept to new highs.
    One of the CIA's head officers, Jame Angleton, who had been high in the CIA in 1973 and directly concerned with intelligence operations with Australia, complained to an Australian television interviewer about the "Attorney-General moving in, barging in, [this was the famous "raid" conducted by Lionel Murphy, the Attorney-General on the ASIO offices in Melbourne in 1973] we were deeply concerned as to the sanctity of this information which could compromise sources and methods and compromise human life."(1) The CIA, he said, seriously considered breaking intelligence relations with Australia.

    You have to remember that Australia was a highly important part of the CIA's world-wide intelligence setup. It has thousands of CIA employees stationed here and is a vital part of the early warning and nuclear war fighting system (how important was only revealed incidentally during the Gulf War when Nurrungar grounds station which our government always claimed to have been there for "verification" was used to observe and report on Iraqi SCUD launches with its related DSP series satellite which is stationed over the Indian Ocean). The three major bases on Australian soil, Pine Gap, Nurrungar and North-West Cape were all of very high importance to the US during the 1960's and 70's.

    After the ALP came to power in 1973, some of its members voiced very strong criticism of these bases (and one very now famous and revealing Phd Thesis by Dr.Des Ball, "A Suitable Piece of Real Estate" was published ;-) and began to demand an official explanation for their presence and at times even voted for their removal. Despite all this posturing, Whitlam and his cabinet didn't carry out these threats because despite their radical posturing were not about to leap into the political no man's land of cutting their ties with the West. They did speak of neutralism and non-alignment on occasion. but they were willing to settle for independence; which is all the Papandreous government wanted when it was overthrown by a CIA backed military coup and you have to remember that Greece was also another _very_ important US electronic spy site.

    Matters started to come to a head in 1975. Whitlam dismissed the heads of both ASIS and ASIO. The former because he had been secretly assisting the CIA in covert activities in East Timor during the brief civil war there.(2) Then, at the beginning of November, it was revealed in the press that a former CIA officer, Richard Lee Stallings, had been channelling funds to Doug Anthony, leader of the Country Party (one of the most conservative parties in Australia), then in opposition.

    It was reported that Stallings was a close friend and former tenant of Anthony's, that the secret installations in the hinterland were indeed CIA creations, and that Stallings had been the first head of much of the operation.(3)

    Ray Aitchison in 1974 published a book called, "Looking at the Liberals" (the other main conservative party), in which it was claimed that the CIA had offered the opposition unlimited funds in their unsuccessful attempt to defeat the ALP government in 1974 election.(4) Victor Marchetti, a former CIA officer, confirmed that the CIA had indeed funded both opposition parties, and a Sydney newspaper stated that the Liberals had been on the recieving end since the late 1960's.(5)

    When Whitlam repeated the charges against Stallings and insisted upon an investigation of the facilities, to identify once and for all their true purpose and at the same time demanded a list of CIA operatives in Australia, alarm bells began to ring in Langley with a vengeance.

    The Australian military-industrial complex appears at this point to have been spurred into a flurry of activity. On 6 November, the head of the Dept. of Defence reportedly met with the Governor General (GG), Sir John Kerr, and afterward declared publicly: "This the greatest risk to the nation's security there has ever been."(6)

    On the eighth, another senior defence official held a meeting with Kerr in which he was briefed about allegations from the CIA that Whitlam was jeopardizing the security of American bases in Australia.(7) The same day, the CIA in Washington informed the ASIO station chief that all intelligence links with Australia would be cut unless a satisfactory explanation was given of Mr.Whitlam's behavior.(8) The agency had already expressed reservations about releasing intelligence reports to certain key government ministers who had once been very active in the anti-Vietnam protest movement.(9)

    On 9 November, Kerr was received at the Defence Signals Directorate for another briefing.(10) The following day, the ASIO station in Washington at the request of the CIA, sent a telex to its HQ in Melbourne, in which it stated that, "CIA can not see how this dialogue with continued reference to CIA can do other than blow the lid off these installations...."(11) In addition to Stallings, the names of his successors (also senior CIA officers) and the CIA station chief had appeared in the press. On the 11th, Kerr acted and used the little known, or even remembered part of the Australian constitution under the heading of "Executive Powers" and dismissed the Whitlam government.

    Kerr, who had been in military intelligence during WWII (the section concerned with the planning for the eventual re-occupation of Pacific territories and colonies which the Japanese had captured), was much taken with the world of spookery and regularly saw classified material, in all likelihood was aware of the ASIO telex, or at least its sentiments through the "Old-boy" net of which he was a part.(12) Kerr had also been involved during the 1950's as first a member, and then a member of the executive board of the Australian Association of Cultural Freedom, an organisation spawned from the CIA's own front organisation, the Congress for Cultural Freedom. He regularly wrote in the organisation's magazine, Quadrant. One such article was called, "The Struggle Against Communism in the Trade Unions" and was published in 1960. The CIA has always accorded a very high priority throughout the world to resisting the infiltration of communism into organised labour.(13)

    In 1966 Kerr helped to found Lawasia (or Law Asia), an organisation of lawyers in the Far East funded by the Asia Foundation. The Foundation was one of the most prominent CIA fronts for over a decade, with offices and representatives in all the major capitals of Asia. Again according to Marchetti, one of its prime missions was to "disseminate throughout Asia a negative vision of mainland China, North Vietnam and North Korea".(14) Kerr became Lawasia's first president, a position he held until 1970.(15) According to Christopher Boyce, "There was a bit of a celebration," in the CIA when Whitlam was dismissed by Kerr. According to Boyce, the CIA often referred to Kerr as "our man".(16)

    Boyce also revealed that the CIA had infiltrated Australian unions, and had been "manipulating the leadership". They had also apparently, when it suited them, "suppressed their strikes", particularly those involving the railways and airports when they had held up deliveries of the Agency's deliveries of equipment to their installations. In addition some of the unions had been the most vocal in their opposition to the creation of the secret bases in the first place.(17)

    To this, should also be added that other aspect, now well known, of the CIA's involvement in Australia: the Nugen-Hand Bank. The Nugen-Hand Merchant Bank of Sydney, is now known to have been a CIA front bank used to launder money. It was founded on the fraudulent writing of a personal cheque to fund itself by one of its founders, Michael Hand, an ex-CIA pilot who had flown with Air America.(18) Air America had been the CIA's own private airline which had been used to provide supplies to the secret wars in Laos and Burma, and to fly Opium out of the Golden Triangle to fund its activities there.(19)

    The Bank was also involved in such activities as; drug trafficking, international arms dealing, links to organised crime, laundering money for President Suharto, unspecified services for the Marcoses, assisting the Shah to move money out of Iran, channeling CIA money to pro-American political parties and operations in Europe, attempting to blackmail an Australian state minister who was investigating organised crime, transferring $2.4 million to the Australian Liberal Party, and as a host of "socially useful other services."(20)

    So, whilst a lot of the evidence is circumstantial at best, it is obvious that the CIA was concerned with what was happening in Australia at this time in a big way. It was channeling money to the opposition parties and it did have some form of input into what was going on. The question is how much? Personally I think that without the CIA to fund it, and perhaps to control Kerr, the ALP would have either been able to wait out the supply crisis, or even win the election which resulted from it. However, if the tale of CIA involvement is true, then we like Chile, have been robbed of our independence, and whats more our right to be called a nation by the shenanagins of a secret government within _our_ government.

    Footnotes

    1. Freney, D., The CIA's Australian Connection, Sydney 1977, pp.75-80.

    2. Jose, J., `The Whitlam Years: Illusion and Reality', in(Flanagan, P., (ed), Big Brother or Democracy?, London, 1981; p.50, Albinski, H.S., Australian External Policy under Labor, Sydney 1977.

    3. Australian Financial Review, 4 November 1975, p.4.

    4. Aitchison, R., Looking at the Liberals, Sydney, 1974.

    5. Sydney Sun, 4 May 1977.

    6. Coxsedge, J., Coldicutt, K., Harant, G., Rooted in Secrecy: the Clandestine Involvement in Australian Politics, Australia, 1982, p.35

    7. Australian Financial Review, 28 April 1977; Jose, p.51 adds that the official, Dr.Farrands, denied the allegation but did admit to meeting Kerr in October but refused to discuss the meeting's contents.

    8. Australian Financial Review, 28 April 1977, p.1.

    9. Albinski, p.169.

    10. Consedge, et al, p.96.

    11. Freney, pp.30-1.

    12. ibid, p.33.

    13. Blum, W., The CIA: A Forgotten History, New York, 1986, p.282.

    14. Marchetti, V., Marks, J., The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, New York, 1975, p.178.

    15. Kerr, J., Matters for Judgement: an Autobiography, Melbourne, 1978, pp.172-86.

    16. San Francisco Chronicle, 24 May 1982.

    17. Ibid.

    18. Kwitney, J., The Crimes of Patriots: dope, dirty money, the CIA and the Nugan Hand Bank, New York, 1987.

    19. McCoy, W.A., The Politics of Heroin, New York, 1991 (revised edition).

    20. Kwitney, J., The Crimes of Patriots.

    Source here.
    http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/resources/history/whitlam_coup.html
     
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    Off topic @bushranger Are you a reporter?..You can be a good reporter if not.
     
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    And some how a stupid Romanian knows how to troll.
     
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    I don't know mate. Last I checked, Australia is a democratic country. If you and your people believe that Australian politics is being controlled by US against Australian best interests, why are they sitting on their asses and watching US run Oz quietly?

    Time for revolution, I'd say.. Let the uproar heard miles away!!


    Good to see you coming out of your shell with obvious racism...

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    I don't think there's a country left in the world where USA has not yet infiltrated. Wherever you look you'll find US involvement in one way or the other.
     
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    We are all: Julian Assange :)
     
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    Aah, I haven't said that it is not in Australia's best interest. That's a different conclusion and a very good point, as usual.

    My only aim here is to present the evidence I find pointing to America's infiltration into our political system so there is at least someone I know on the job lol, plus, the 'concept' works well with a site I'm building.

    Lastly, I don't think Australians really do know the extent of it, and, I don't think most of us care.
     
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    Hail Julian Assange :)
     
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    @Helvetti Humor is racist , that your only defense ? Shell i find some minutes to carpet bomb India with some facts ?

    @Bushranger A democracy can't be manipulated unless you manipulate the population . The US influence is simply due to it de facto superpower status a.k.a.
    a superpower's sphere of influence , it's something that all superpowers do weather you like it or not . As for you "exposing the truth" get a grip , you're posting tons and tons of outdated and useless information .
     
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    Bushranger Notable Member

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    @ApocalypseXL: let me know when we get a democracy and I'll let you know we're okay.

    We voted left - they put in right. Call it what you like but that's NOT democracy.
     
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    The USA infiltrates most countries with its blackmail and bribery. Politicians are forced to do as wall street wants them, and all in wall streets best financial interest. The USA is the cancer of the world misusing its power and money in all levels of politics. There are no real politicians in the world any more only corporate puppets who rely heavily on money to succeed in the fake puppet show called democratic elections.

    The problem with democracy is that the vast majority of the population are idiots. Just look at the recent financial scandals in the USA and watch as NOTHING happens even though massive fraud was committed. The picture cant be clearer: strategic resources like oil have already been secured by means of war and black mail, financial resources are made by simply printing the US$ and exporting the inflation abroad, economic positions are secured by means of corruption and extortion and VIOLA you have a modern tyrant that is the US government that has dropped more bombs than Hitler but never the less americans are a "proud nation" LOL

    Change will not come from waiting for americans to vote somebody else in to power because wall street is there to stay...change and freedom from the USA will have to be fought for...being that the USA has massive military power the only way to get freedom is, unfortunately, building something that can hurt everybody even in the USA...

    waiting for "democracy" to help is like believing in santa claus
     
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    What they said.

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    They are only running America into the ground, while other nations are busy trying to make money. Look at how China and Russia do business with others without interfering with their politics, they sign contracts and get out, while the US goes to war only to get its hands on some oil, gas or other natural resources.
     
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    I'm pretty sure humor is NOT racist but your little Romanian ass is.. And don't fool yourself, you fail at humor..
    Also my defense? I don't need a defense against your racist trolling.


    Um... I suggest you 'shell' use those 'some' minutes to learn proper English first. (It's 'Shall' by the way).
     
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    Next time vote for someone that does what he says he'll do or get involved into politics . Right now you're sitting on your fat ass and doing nothing but whining . Sorry but you're in a democracy and a pretty decent one . For a taste of fked up democracy visit Pakistan or India or Somalia or any other country where the people are treated like sheep . For a better democracy look at the Swiss .

    @Helvetii You fail at understanding that pic & humor . If you would pull your head out of your xenophobic butt you'd see that what I've posted it's a actually a compliment towards Asians .
     
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    US has always interfered regardless whether they are allies or not. But now since they are bankrupt or we say in a 'depression' they are finding ways to do it on a different approach.
     
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    It's not they in your case it's WE since you are in the US .
     
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    How about Romania? No country can be more f*cked up than that when half of the country is hookers and the other half is beggars and petty criminals.
     
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