Global Nightmare: America on the brink of....

Can you clarify if this is the Bushranger who says there are two conservative parties to chose from in Australia, or the Bushranger who claims the Labor party is semi socialist left. Just want to know which your two personalities to respond to.

 

To clarify a statement I already made: p l e a s e r e a d s l o w l y.

Labor is the historically left party of Australia, note the word "historically". For as long as I can remember they were always by and for the people - the Labor Party rose out of the union movement and always stood up for the people.

So, after the Iraq debacle in particular, in an effort to wash out the Liberal PM John Howard completely we voted in Kevin Rudd (Labor) at the 2007 elections and Howard was chucked out, even in his own seat.

Rudd was a proper Labor PM & was doing all he could for the people. I could spruike a huge list of his excellent acheivements including a long awaited apology to the aborigines and he poured billions into fixing the health system that Howard had almost turned private.

Rudd tried to muscle in on the miners, trying to initiate an almost 50% royalty tax on mining - all meant to fix the lack of infrastructure enhanced by the proud to be right-wing, Howard government.

Rudd understood the minerals the miners are getting are owned by the people of Australia and the people were getting royally screwed over by an industry that is 83% owned by overseas corporations. Of couse that meant we were getting no money out of it!

Now here's where the (I believe American led) right-wing emerged in the Labor party. The "faceless" men removed our standing prime minister Kevin Rudd and they installed the right-wing Julia Gillard as the new PM. She promptly signed a deal with the miners handing them back a full 100% refund and straight-away that put the population off-side.

That's where the right-wing infiltrated the Labor party and it was done entirely behind the scenes, because that's how the right-wing work.

So, we had NO choice. Do you get it? The right-wing infiltrated the Labor party just 3 years ago. The Murdoch press openly hates the Greens and proudly states that so of course we only hear about the Labor or Liberal parties in the papers.

Australians don't want to know about the greedy buggers, we just want our country back. At this point it is only the Greens offering that possibility as both Labor and Liberals are now the realm of the right. Nobody likes them but some are eager to cash in on the rewards they offer. I guess you're one of those people.

 

The criminals in Wall Street and the Right wingers in Washington DC have put the US in shambles along with their real estate corrupt inflated policies.

 

Curious. So now your claim is that the Labor party was Left until his own party threw him out, which made them instantly right, based on some completely factless allegations of American intervention. Am I with you so far? Your factless claims aside, you originally made the claim that Australia had two right wing parties based on Australia's immigration policies, which have been in place LONG LONG LONG before Rudd came around. In fact, wasn't your leftist hero Rudd the very guy who sank that boat filled with immigrants?

Spell it out for me man! Explain to me who this "Faceless" man is and what evidence you have that Rudd didn't just resign because he was going to lose a parliamentary challenge vote for his seat. Be sure to provide some evidence this time(no non-scientific web polls). Also, explain your comments about how 90% of Australians want open borders, but the right wing parties in power ride roughshod over the wants of the people. The way you describe it, Australia sounds like a dictatorship.

 

And one day I hope ALL Americans will see that. They're (right wingers) pretty good at trickery but if everybody started calling out all the lies and untruths floating around then it will be easier to reclaim it for the people, not that i'm saying it will be easy.

I have faith that people do the right thing when confronted with the truth. An informed person can make the right choices. It's just so many people like Obamanation that like to perpetuate falsehoods in order to make their case. They're the real enemies of the people imho.

I only wish I had more time to research and confront the world with the proper facts, though I am doing my best.

I have set up a series of news websites and I intend to use them to help cut out the crap. I'll be doing my darnedest to ensure the Greens (here) are given the same chances as the other parties and highlighting many of their "fantastic" for want of a better word, proposals.

I do believe without my help Aussies will be voting Greens this election anyway but a little more promotion can't hurt.

 

No, actually that was Howard who sank the boat (Tampa?). The rest, you can "spell out for yourself" as i'm not here to do your work. Seems the more I tell you the more twisting of words I get, there's no point me explaining your continued factless, twisted and bullshit claims. Just a tiny bit of research (Google) will explain exactly how the coup occured.

"90% of Australians want open borders" - I have never said that. That was a twisted conclusion of your own.

 

LoL. There is that compassionate liberalism once again, quickly identifying enemies of the state.

Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile accusing people of spreading falsehoods while admitting in the same post that you don't have a firm grasp of the facts? For all you know, your argument may be analogous to claiming the earth is flat, and let me assure you, your argument isn't far off from that. Seriously, some "faceless man from america" overthrew your government in a quiet coup?

Either way, I appreciate the honesty and I completely understand why you wont be answering my questions anytime soon.


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You certainly implied it:

And yet your government still rounds up all the immigrants and puts them in camps. Its am American led coup I tell you! Except... here in America, we are actively writing legislation to provide taxpayer dollars for illegal immigrant college education.

 

Ask yourself who is behind the greens and I bet the same money controlling the White House is behind them as well. Be realistic, all I ask. Eco stuff is a magnet for scammers and fake scientists. It all looks great on paper, but the political impact is huge when it comes to promoting false data through international media. Climategate was just a tiny example. It's dangerous when disgruntled people fall into the arms of swindlers because they seem so different than the ones who they dispise. But in the end it's all a wash. Listen to your inner voice, not what politicians tell you, regardless what party they are or whatever ideology they may pretend to hold dear.

 

I should start calling you twistee! - The faceless men were Australians - Bill Shorten, Paul Howse, Arbib and others - pushed by the American regime. Google Senator Arbib spys for US / Wikileaks.

I did not imply that at all. I said 90% of us know we're all immigrants - how you get that means OPEN BORDERS is ridiculous at best.

@Blogmaster - The Greens are the only choice. I understand what you're saying, and agree with it in some circumstances but if you actually look at Greens policies, they're "exactly" what I want in a government. Don't worry buddy, I've done the research.

 

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LOL ! Twistee for President .

 

Sorry, were you asking me to Google for proof of your loosely worded allegation again? Why not spell your allegation out in black and white and then provide some proof of it yourself. You sound to me like a guy who casually reads leftist commentators fielding conspiracy theories while complaining about their obscure station in your society. You should at least familiarize yourself with these paranoid screeds before repeating them. If you can put to print what nefarious activity you think went down when your liberal labor leader got deposed, and then back that up with some real evidence, perhaps we can carry on a conversation. Its hard to twist facts when you don't provide any.

I provided your quote in full length. I think readers can make their own assessment of what you were or were not implying. In my opinion, the relevant part of your quote was, "Only 10% of the very loud right-wing think like you (preferring they be shot) and unfortunately". Considering first that neither I, nor anyone in your government wants to shoot illegal immigrants, one is left to believe that only 10% of your country supports your current stringent policy of putting them in camps and shipping them home, leaving the remaining 90% of the country, who realize they are all immigrants, wanting to "expand your towns" with these people. Is it that you don't understand that is the same thing as OPEN BORDERS, or were you trying your hand at some Obamaesque Orwellian double speak with your retraction/denial?

Either way, your statement is based on a fiction, or what some people call a lie. If only 10% of your population supported your current immigration policies, they would not be your current immigration policies. Period.

LoL

 

Exactly. People can read what went down themselves. Now when you quoted that 90% & 10% stuff why don't you tell it like it was said? Oh, you can't do that can you? one must also remember any facts must be twisted up and spat out the second they hit your lips.

I said 10% are hard right like you & 10% were hard left like me. Can you count? How much is 10% + 10% again?

 

Sorry, was an answer to any of my questions buried in this quote somewhere? If so, I must have missed it.

 

Did there need to be? I have made my case in this thread and answered your questions. You should learn to read every single line rather than every second line. Unfortunately I don't get paid to be here and retype my own statements over and over. I suspect that may not be the situation in your case.

 

I suppose not. Answers to questions are really only applicable to discussions, debates, arguments, and conversations. They are completely inapplicable mindless repetition of your own position and random groundless accusations.

Speaking of random groundless accusations.


I really would like to hear your paranoid screed about the American involvement in the coup against Rudd, spelled out in black and white. So far, you asked me to Google it, which doesn't really count as a response. Spell it out. Make the charge. Connect the dots. Try hard not to sound like those idiots who say, "Bush is tied to Halliburton, you see, so he must be responsible for the 9-11 attacks". Non sequiturs and irrational arguments wont get much more out of me than a facepalm and some ridicule.

 

I said I suspect, not that you are. However, all the evidence I see points towards that.

I'm going to take up your challenge, because I need it too.

 

And I suspect that you are a terrorist loving, America hating, revolutionary that is OK with, and perhaps a participant to, the murdering of innocent people, the destruction of the livelihoods of millions of Americans and Australians, the incarceration of what you call enemies of the state, all for the sole purpose of obtaining advantage against those who oppose you politically! I'm not going to present any evidence of that claim,but I suspect I have more to support my suspicion than you have to support yours. Shall we compare evidence? You first.

 

No need. You can suspect what you like. The question is does one believe a bloke who has never made any sense (me) or one that twists everyones words (you). One of us may be crazy but the other's a lying Twistee! I know where I put my trust.

 

Let me guess, in the guy who doesn't make sense? Quit trying to make me feel like a cripple beater! I dropped guilt as an acceptable feeling when I abandoned the religion of my youth.

I do find it encouraging that you see the sense of my words, even if you think I am twisting yours. A Neo-Con is nothing but a Liberal with an education in history. Your future awaits you.

 

Well I did not know you were a cripple but really, that makes no difference to me in this case. It's your typing I object to, the lies, not your physical shortcomings, if you must see it that way. We all have 'something' that holds us back...and you more than make up for having no legs with all that 'cleverness' you inject here. You may notice I left out 'factual' as imho that's one word nobody can associate with you.